More questions about ACA vs AKC registration?

Question

We purchased an ACA registered Pekingese from a local breeder.
(The same one we got our AKC registered Pekingese from, last year.) Last year we got a female, this year we bought a male
with the intent of showing the puppy. Our breeder is no longer with the AKC she says because they didn't feel her home was appropriate to breed animals in, when the person from AKC visited.
The breeder said the AKC rep was the mother of a woman she regularly beats in shows and had a vengence motive for lying to the AKC. I saw nothing wrong with the kennel or the breeders home, in fact it's the best looking kennel I've ever seen (I've seen lots.) The breeder is now being forced to sell her home and move out of state because of reduced income from losing AKC. She has registered her breeding stock and shown it with ACA, though.
My pups parents both won ACA championships, last year. The breeder swears ACA shows are just as good or better than AKC.
Anyone know anything about American Canine Associa

Answer 1

hmm well i do like AKC shows alot better but i know there is a lot of poltics in shows and its very possible her storie is true. AKC reps have a lot of influence in what goes on in the rings.

Answer 2

American Canine Association is a scam registry.It is a registry designed for and by irresponsible breeders...BYB/Mills. The "papers" from this registry are worthless..not worth the paper they are written on.
If the breeder failed AKC inspection believe me there is a very good very legit reason and it has nothing to do with a vendeta by someone else.It also likely didn't have anything to do with her home not being appropriate to breed animals..it most likely had to do with paperwork not being in order, DNA/parantege being falsified, etc and most likely she didn't leave AKC on her own accord but was suspended from doing business with the AKC.
You have been sold a "bill of goods" by this person. She is NOT a person that anyone should be doing business with.
Also AKC doesn't lodge investigations and visit a breeders home without justifiable cause.They need good reason. Also if a person lodges a complaint and initiates an investigation against a breeder it costs them a lot of money to do so..so bogus claims aren't likley to be made especially just because someone gets beat at shows.
Please do not fall for this breeders BS.

Answer 3

I would contact AKC itself concerning this matter..I am not sure since Border Collies have been accepted for registration for a while if they will accept your dog for regular registration without the parents being AKC registered and the litter being AKC registered as well. ILP is not the same as registration.It is only a number that grants someone permission to show in performance events. A judge can question the dogs breed if they feel the dog is indeed not a purebred and they can petition to have the ILP revoked. This doesn't happen very often but it does when the judge feels someone is trying to pass off a mix breed as a purebred. Most judges are pretty well versed in breed standards so I wouldn't worry about that. ****Nedra, being spay/neutered is NOT a big "bigaboo" with the AKC. The only place an altered dog can't be shown is in the conformation(breed) ring. They can be shown in all other venues. Also in order to get an ILP a dog MUST be spay/neutered*******

Answer 4

I can't believe her story about the AKC. If there was a question about her home being not "appropriate" for breeding animals, she could have appealled it.

What more than likely happened, is that she has breeding violations and that is why they revoked her ability to register through the AKC.

ACA is not a good registry. Any BYB or puppymill can register there. I went to their website, and you can't even access very much information about the breeds they register! The site only lists through the letter "K" on their breed information lists! I can't imagine how the parents could have won ACA championships, when you can't even find the standards for the breeds! I am so sorry for you. I hope everything goes well for that puppy. At $150 like you said in your last question, I have a really bad feeling about that pup.

Answer 5

This sounds like total baloney.

The akc is not in the habit of inspecting kennels.

When some 'akc' german shorthaired pointers were listed for sale on the internet and they were lemon and white (not a gsp color combo---not even a "disallowed' color under the standard. they were obviously a mix) the akc didn't want to investigate even when approached by reputable folks. they wanted the people reporting the obvious scam to pay UP FRONT for the cost of the investigation.

All we wanted is for the seller to stop representing the dogs as akc purebred gsps and we got nowhere.

I doubt the akc sent someone out to check the peke person out. Bottom line, the akc likes money to keep flowing which is why they don't inspect the puppy mills that churn out akc registered pups. The us dept of agriculture inspects puppy dealers though

Answer 6

An AKC rep can get fired if they really do something like this. The woman probably had her privaledges revoked from AKC. I have been inspected by the AKC and passed with flying colors. The ACA is just another registry that puppy millers register with.

Answer 7

AKC is much more reputable than ACA, but her story about the AKC rep sounds kind of fishy. You do not have to be AKC inspected to register your dogs with AKC, but they may need to be inspected by the state if they are a kennel.

Answer 8

Most likely if you think her home would pass an AKC inspection the problem was with the breeders record keeping and being able to correctly and easily identify dogs and having the paperwork for the dogs in order. Maybe DNA was not matching up. Maybe she no longer wanted to buy quality purebred dogs so started buying and using dogs that were registered with an organization like that. I would have run as far and as fast as I could

Answer 9

Most people that get kicked out of the AKC have done some very bad, unethical things - not necessarily having poor living conditions for their dogs, but falsifying papers (lying about parentage, putting health certifications they didn't get on documents, etc) - steer clear of these people! They are definately bad news & not reputable breeders. And of course she would have some sad story of woe to try to cover up!

Answer 10

Bet you a buck that her breeding records were not complete and AKC revoked her AKC priviliges. ACA was originated by people that AKC suspended.