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Here is a simple question- who goes to Haven, Hitler, if he believed in jesus, or Ghandi, a man who advocated peace, but didn't worship jesus?
Its a no brainer- Ghandi- But I have encounted people who think you could be a serial killer- but if you worshipped Jesus, you'd see Heaven, but the charitable good person- who happened to not believe in jesus- would burn in Hell..
Where is the compassion or logic? Its illogic that that that made me abandon Christianity..

2007-02-06 11:08:38 · 8 answers · asked by OctopusGuy 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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personally i believe it's both.

If you accept Jesus as your Saviour then you do good deeds/works. those who have accepted Christ in His totality know that you have to walk the walk and not just talkt he talk. if you believe, then you want to do.....

i'm sorry you've abandonded Christinaity, just know it's not abandonded you. none of us will ever truly truly know what happens when we stand before the power of God on judgement day. while we need to worry about the spiritual welfare of others - we can't let that ruin our own relationship.

2007-02-06 11:14:50 · answer #1 · answered by Marysia 7 · 0 0

What you don't seem to understand is when you are saved, you no longer have a desire to sin. This is true for all who are saved. As far as Ghandi, God knows what He is doing and we don't... Simple as that. Not one of us can say for certain that Hitler or Ghandi went to Heaven or Hell. That is God's business and His alone. We have no business delving into that. What we do know is what He told us in His book. To try and guess anything about anyone else is silly. We will not ever have the intelligence to know God's business. He knows what He is doing.

2007-02-06 11:19:31 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

It's all about what is in the heart. Doing good deeds is a great thing, and most who do them have a kind and loving heart. BUT, there are some who do good deeds wanting the admiration of people or to puff themselves up to society. These people can do good deeds for the rest of their life and still not see God.

On the other hand, you can do bad all of your life and still get into Heaven if you truly repent. God alone can judge the heart and He will know whether it is sincere or not.

2007-02-06 11:19:30 · answer #3 · answered by arewethereyet 7 · 0 0

No this is not true according to the bible. It says that we have to believe in Jesus(be saved) before we can enter into heaven ( not haven).
it also states that you can not enter into heaven by doing good, so that none can boast or brag on how good they are!
The "good works" of unsaved people are "dead", and are as "filthy rags" to God.
But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Isaiah 64:6
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrew 9:14
It is very important to understand this fact. As long as we are under Satan's control, it is virtually impossible for us to do anything that pleases God. Until we have become God's adopted child, we are not yet in His family of saints. We don't yet have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, we have not yet yielded ourselves to His perfect will. We are still doing things our own way, not His. We are saved by faith and grace, not works. Good works after our spiritual rebirth signifies true faith.
it is important to recognize that when referring to "salvation", not heavenly "rewards". Salvation is concerned with how we get into Heaven. Rewards deal with the degree or extent of the rewards we get once we're there. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves [it is] the gift of God Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9

2007-02-06 11:17:28 · answer #4 · answered by K 5 · 0 0

I love your question and I ask this question to people a lot. I also have lost my faith in Christianity. It will be fun reading all the christian rants on here. I'm not saying I've abandoned Christ or God, sometimes I believe and sometimes I don't, I just can't take religion. You don't need Christianity as a religion to do Gods will.

2007-02-06 11:16:08 · answer #5 · answered by Agnostic 4 · 0 1

Good works won't get you into Heaven, only trusting in Jesus will. I'm sorry you abandoned Christianity, but Christ hasn't abandoned you, He will be waiting for you to come back.

2007-02-06 11:15:33 · answer #6 · answered by the pink baker 6 · 1 1

Well the "Good Book" says that he who believes in Jesus will reep the rewards of heaven. See you have to have faith in Jesus and ask him to come into your heart and cleanse you of your sins.

2007-02-06 11:17:09 · answer #7 · answered by Just Wondering 2 · 2 1

You cannot work your way into heaven..You have to receive the gift of salvation through Jesus..simple.

2007-02-06 11:16:55 · answer #8 · answered by B"Quotes 6 · 1 1

I believe you abandoned the faith because it was to great a burden for you to carry. Yet you put your self in God’s place judging who goes to heaven and who does not based on your logical conclusions of right and wrong. Yet this is not to great a burden to carry, the role of all mankind’s judge? Was not the devil your tempter “You will not die but you will be as god knowing good and evil?

Concerning the Christian faith and concerning good deeds. You think there is a power in man that by exercising this power we thereby please God and whoever pleases God consequently gets the grand prize but those who tick God off because they either did not do enough good works or because they did not have enough faith are cast out with weeping and gnashing of teeth. So you ask the question which is it ‘Good works’ or ‘Faith’? Of course good works trumps faith because it appeals to your logic.

How many good works would you need? On the other side, how much faith would you need? Do you suppose your balances are the same as God’s?

Luke 18
10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

(These are good things. To not be an extortioner, unjust, adulterer, to fast, to tithe. Who would fault him? He thought his doing gave him some favor with God that led him to think that if God were to be kind and bestow His blessings to one of us, surly I have an advantage )

14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

How many good works does God demand?

Luke 17:10 (New King James Version)
10 So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’”

Doing our best just isn’t good enough. We can’t do it (Enough). What about believing.

John 6
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

What is that but to say no work, believe only. It might be best even to take it in it’s most literal sense. “This is God’s work, that you believe. What the law could not do, God did (God’s work). We are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourself it is the gift of God. (Eph 2:8)

Can you see that the power of God is actually in God and given by the message! Not in ourselves to do, or to believe. Rom 10:10 “Faith comes by hearing” The power is not in us either way. The power is in what God did for sinners and there is none righteous no not one.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to everyone believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek; for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; even as it has been written, "But the just shall live by faith." Hab. 2:4 For God's wrath is revealed from Heaven on all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, holding the truth in unrighteousness, because the thing known of God is clearly known within them, for God revealed it to them.
(Rom 1:16-19)


Martha and Mary
Luke 10
38 Now it happened as they went that He entered a certain village; and a certain woman named Martha welcomed Him into her house. 39 And she had a sister called Mary, who also sat at Jesus’[k] feet and heard His word. 40 But Martha was distracted with much serving, and she approached Him and said, “Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Therefore tell her to help me.”
41 And Jesus[l] answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many things. 42 But one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen that good part, which will not be taken away from her.”

Of all your doing one thing is truly the more needed that of the not doing and hearing the word.

Mt. 7:22
Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

why with all there doing did they not do the one thing needed that of not doing but hearing His word that they might Know and be known.

Some would say the Gospel is for sinners. It must be answered Yes and Amen! And for none other. What need is there to tell a righteous man, without sin, your sins are forgiven.

Maybe Faith was to graet a burden for you to carry because you thought it was yours to carry. " Who are you judging another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. But he will stand, for God is able to make him stand".

2007-02-06 12:24:36 · answer #9 · answered by Steve R 2 · 0 0

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