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so i ask a question regarding the trinity and i get told, "stop trying to finding loopholes" and "try reading the bible" and stuff like this. but none of them even tried to answer my question...

could you guys please stop beating around the bush and try answering the question being asked? we arent 5, we dont plug our ears and go "lalalalala" when we dont want to hear something. im getting sick of your lack of ability to stick to the question. if u dont know the answer dont post up something completely unrelated. is it that hard?

Do any non-christians have as much problems as i do with this?

2007-02-06 07:07:09 · 47 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

wow CL R, learn to read, the question is down in the details.

2007-02-06 07:14:44 · update #1

go ahead rosewithin. i dont believe in the big bang either. yet another point u guys take things off topic. yes i am touchy this morning cause for the past 3 days of asking questions ive had maybe 1 or 2 people post actual answers, the rest of christians are so ready to defend themselves and attack others. its irritating.

2007-02-06 07:18:17 · update #2

47 answers

Christians are well-trained in deflecting questions; it's part of what they teach the kids in Sunday School. If they'd spend half as much time teaching them their own scriptures, they MIGHT be able to answer them (albeit fairly illogically...).

2007-02-06 07:10:01 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 8 7

Well, it was one of the tougher questions. Even trinitarians don't understand the Trinity. The Catholic Church long ago declared it a "Mystery", something to be experienced rather than explained.

It was not even a concept until the 3rd Century CE. There was a problem identifying the nature of Christ in a monotheistic system. Obviously the One God cannot have a "child" as we understand it. But Christian Soteriology required a divine sacrifice. So was Jesus somehow "adopted" by God? What did that mean? When did it happen? Did it make him truly divine? Or did God somehow divide himself? Can God be manifested in one human body and running the universe at the same time?

A man named Arius preached a Christ who was superior to ordinary humans but a subordinate creature to God. He had a lot of followers and a lot of detractors, all ardent Christians, all determined to stamp out the other side.

The other camp had to figure out just what Jesus was. God in disguise? A blessed man? God overshadowing man? God & man in one body? They finally determined that he was God AND man in one spirit, but it still didn't resolve the question of the relationship between the Son and the Father. How could one God be acting like two separate beings?

And then there was that "advocate" Jesus was going to send. Why wouldn't he just come back himself? And Jesus would certainly not be "sending" the Father! They finally resolved the issue in a surprising way, by saying God was one "being" in three "persons".

But no one bothered to define these terms. Was a "person" a personality? No. An "aspect"? No. A "part"? No. An allegory? No. It was a distinct, complete "person" in unity with the other two. That's all they could say.

So the Arians and the Trinitarians fought, in words and in the streets, excommunicating each other in turn. In most councils, the Trinitarians were winning, but it took generations to completely suppress this alternate expression of Christianity.

Christians are at a loss to explain why "three persons". They present allegories, the three leaves on a clover, the three states of matter, etc., but the allegories don't make any more sense than the mystery itself. It is simply how Trinitarian Christians experience God. Jews, Muslims and Unitarians hammer on them regularly for their inconsistency but it's all a matter of interpretation.

Yes, I find "Read the Bible," an ignorant dodge and useless advice. The Bible does not automatically explain itself, particularly in regard to complex theological doctrine. But every religion seems to have at least one peculiarity that can't be explained to outsiders. There are several gospel passages in which Jesus appears to be talking to the Father as a completely separate entity, and others in which he identifies himself with the Father. There are any number of explanations of Jesus' intent offered by apologists, but it still boils down to faith. If you believe, it's okay, if not, it never will be.

Still, people feel like they've lost an argument if they don't say something...

2007-02-06 08:10:16 · answer #2 · answered by skepsis 7 · 0 0

I'll try again... three seperate entities - 1) father, 2) son 3) Holy Spirit. All are a part of God. All are divine. God the creator, Jesus the Savior, and the Holy Spirit who dwells among us today. Just because the Son did not know the hour, does not lessen his divinity. Why draw that conclusion? God claims Jesus many times in the bible and Jesus claims both God and the Holy Spirit. Yes, your taking one passage out of the Bible and trying to pick at it (find a loophole). I didn't avoid the question, you just can't understand the answer. Is that direct enough for you or would you prefer a children's book intended for a five year old? Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't diminish it's truth.

2007-02-06 07:13:15 · answer #3 · answered by Scott B 7 · 2 1

It would be nice if EVERYONE in this forum would only post answers if they A) knew what they were talking about & B) were posting an actual answer to the question.

I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of non-Christians who have the same problem you do. Heck, I'm Christian and *I* get annoyed with pithy little answers to questions. You do have to realize, however, that for some people, "try reading the bible" or somesuch is the only answer they know. *shrug*

2007-02-06 07:16:42 · answer #4 · answered by Church Music Girl 6 · 0 0

Is it fair if i can say that all non-christians always do have a problem with christians in some way,then go and post a topic like this...besides,all people are not the same,if their black or white,christian or non-christian,so dont rasionalize....some people rely only on faith,faith of believing what they believe and in Jesus they believe...its hard to explain something that i must type to express myself,thats just who i am,im trying though,so give me sum credit k..;),ever saw love between two persons,as in leterally seeing the love?...well,think of Jesus in such a way...seeing Him in everything would be a very difficult task,always looking for the good...but its the good Jesus is..

2007-02-06 07:19:21 · answer #5 · answered by RiNgO 1 · 1 0

The trinity: Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Does this mean husband and wives will be freaks because they have the same flesh? No, they agree as one. Why is this so hard so hard to understand? Father, Son, and Holy Ghost agree more perfectly than any married couple.

2007-02-06 07:22:29 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

We answer when there is a question. When you are sincere and not trying to stir an augment up. Didn't you like the answer you got? Don't belittled your self.By the way why would a non-christian be in the Religion- Spirituality section unless you wanted to learn?

2007-02-06 07:18:41 · answer #7 · answered by Sugar 7 · 0 0

In general, I have a problem with contemporary christianity. I started questioning and I got a two hour lecture on Paul and the Corinthians...Eventually, it drove me away completely.

You should do some more religious exploration and find what works for you. It's okay to be eclectic because there is no one religion that works for everybody.

2007-02-06 07:15:13 · answer #8 · answered by Cato 4 · 1 0

I love to answer questions and I am a follower of Christ. I rarely beat around bushes. I do sometimes speak off point though...it has to do more with my human nature and personality than my beliefs though.

I as a chritian sometimes find many believers to be ignorant...but that would be a different issue.

2007-02-06 07:27:52 · answer #9 · answered by aarondarling 3 · 0 0

i would have a problem with this if not for the fact that i tried christianity out for a while...

think of the trinity as 3-in-1 motor oil (go with it), its all technically the same substance...it just has 3 different purposes. the trinity is a bit more complicated than that, but its pretty much the same principle.

most christians cant answer any questions using logic and reason because the bible doesnt support it. its a book geared toward emotion and feeling. aside from that, many christians dont read their bible as much as they would recommend it to someone else, and therefore dont know very much about their own faith.

2007-02-06 07:12:16 · answer #10 · answered by turtle.racer 2 · 0 3

I am Christian and I get tired of Christians doing that.

The people you are talking about are mostly mean and judgemental but call it "faith" instead of honestly answering an honest question asked by someone who really wants to know, they have to tell you things like "If you read you bible, you would not have to ask that" That's Bull. Anyone raised in the church properly knows that its perfectly okay not to have all the answers and to question the bible, God and the people "running" your faith.

Please take to heart that those are not all Christians, just the LOUD and WRONG ones. Those are the types that are dominating our society today. I don't even call myself Christian anymore, I just say I believe in Jesus.

2007-02-06 07:15:00 · answer #11 · answered by babygyrl_nyc 5 · 2 1

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