For Atheists: Do the "Soup Theory" and "Big Bang Theory" contradict the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?

Question

If everything tends to disorder, how can the Big Bang cause an ordered Universe and more specifically and ordered Earth to form. Would it not be more likely that with a Big Bang, the universe would go into compete and udder chaos? Also, how can a large amount of chemicals be believed to have just happened to come together in exactly the right chemistry to form life? This seems to completely go against the idea of entropy.

Answer 1

The second law does not state that all places at all times tend to disorder. If such was the case, you would be unable to remain alive at all.

More properly, "Entropy in a closed system will always increase." This does not mean it must increase uniformly. It would be possible to lower entropy in one subsystem so long as there was an equal or greater increase in a different subsystem.

Further, Earth is not a closed system. Every moment of its existence it will be bathed in energy from the sun. An input of energy can allow the reduction of entropy locally on earth, because the sun is producing incomprehensible amounts of universal entropy.

The Big Bang itself is not subject to the laws of thermodynamics - it forms them. Such a suggestion is akin to saying "The rule against talking in the library may not, itself, speak while in the library."

Answer 2

The statement "everything tends to disorder" is not part of the second law of thermodynamics. The NET entropy of a closed system always increases. That does not mean that order cannot come about. The universe is mostly empty space and is expanding. There is your increase of entropy. The third law of thermodynamics states that the increase in entropy is proportional to the temperature. The universe has a mean temperature of 2.7K. It is very cold. Self-ordering systems are likely to form in a cooling system. One classic example is snow.

Life on Earth did not form in a closed system. Solar energy, geothermal energy, geochemical energy (compounds rising in volcanic vents), and electrochemical energy (lightning strikes) all added energy to the future biosphere. That input of energy overcame entropy locally.

Answer 3

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Answer 4

'Udder' chaos theory... haha...

Anyway, no it does not 'violate' any laws of thermodynamics. The universe is chaos, within the boundries of gravitational law. The randomness of the universe is overarching, and to think that throughout time and space that such randomness would not generate life in a number of forms or capacities shows only a small, shallow-minded view of the universe.

Don't think life just took one little kick to get started. It's likely to have been born and failed many, many times. And perhaps you'd better review entropy more to understand how it relates to the universe.

Answer 5

A few points.

Why are you only asking this question of atheists. A catholic priest was instrumental in coming up with Big Bang theory and many christians believe it.

Also, The earth is not a closed system, so the second law of thermodynamics does not apply.

Finally, you are using an antrhopic conception of order. If you think about the first few million years of the universe and compare it to now, disorder is way up. For instance, the universe started off as only hydrogen and helium and a great deal of potential energy. The energy has been running down as stars burn out and heavy matter is formed.

Answer 6

You do not need a PhD to know that the second law of thermodynamics does not rule out the big bang. Chemistry or physics 101 (or a high school AP level class) covers this.

I am always more than a little saddened when I hear someone argue that the second law rules out the big bang and/or evolution. Someone with no science education would have never heard about the second law, so would not make this argument. Someone with rudimentary science education would know enough to also not make this argument. I can only conclude that this argument comes from someone purposely trying to mislead. Apparently the commandment "Thou shalt not bear false witness" does not apply when trying to promote religious beliefs.

Then I hear the wise words of George Constanza "It is not a lie if you believe it".

Answer 7

"Soup theory"? Don't take creationist propaganda sites seriously.

As for the rest of this, you've run together several things that you do not understand.

First of all, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies to closed systems, and therefore has nothing to say about evolution.

Secondly, by your argument, we should not be able to put things into order. Do you believe that it is impossible for me to straighten up my bookshelf, because that would violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics? Do you believe that it is impossible for the contents of a cereal box to settle during shipping, because that would violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics? The creationist "2nd Law" argument is thereby reduced to absurdity.

Thirdly, you seem to be assuming that only atheists reject creationism. In fact many believers are bright enough to reject it as well.

Answer 8

Entropy only applies in a closed system lacking an energy source so the second law of thermodynamics doesn't have any relevance to the earth. And I should point out in case anyone doesn't know it that this is one of the creationist's stock arguments and they will always use it no matter how often it is proved to be wrong, but that's just a measure of their intellectual dishonesty.

Answer 9

No. That isn't what the second law says at all. What it says is the entropy of a closed system can not increase. Entropy isn't about order per say and neither is a closed system.

Answer 10

No, everthing tends to a stable state. Note the word "tends"; this is assuming that outside forces like an explosion from the big bang are not present. The formation of stars and planets are a move from unstable to stable.