If Heaven is a perfectly happy and blissful place to be, how could anyone become unhappy, jealous and dissatisfied with the status quo there? To do so like satan did implies that there is an imperfection in the way it was created, either in the place or in the person becoming unhappy, further implying an imperfect creator, God. Does this mean that when you believers go to heaven you have to watch your P's and Q's lest you too become unhappy and voice your dissent and end up in hell? If the best angel in heaven could become unhappy there, who are we lesser beings to not find fault too...especially since it seems that you will still continue to have free choice in heaven ..to stay there or go to hell. Do you think you will be good enough a believer to be better than the angel who once sat at the right hand of God and not fall like he did? Is God a loving God to allow you to still fail in heaven and get to hell? If he is, perhaps I'll see you all in hell eventually. What do you think?
2007-02-05 15:43:36 · 19 answers · asked by Bluevariable 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
because heaven as man has made it out to be is a "manmade fallacy"
It just a farce.
2007-02-05 15:48:00 · answer #1 · answered by fade_this_rally 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Doozy of a question. Your question assumes that God is not omnipotent; that he did not know what Satan was and what he would do. God created everything for a purpose. Everything in Heavens purpose was and is to worship God. I do not know if Satan was meant to test the other heavenly beings or not. The result of his actions was that he took a third of the heavenly beings with him when he was cast down. Since we see in Job 1:6 that he still has access to heaven; he must still be following a plan that God has created. Perhaps God always has had a plan for culling the wheat from the chaff, even in heaven.
I believe that by the time a believer gets to heaven his soul will already belong there, having conformed in this life to the spiritual realities of the next. They will not have to watch their P's and Q's, as heaven will be all they desire. The back-biting, hypocritical and sinful "Christians" you see in this world belong here and eventually in Hell. They are following their leader, Satan, and will also be removed from Gods presence.
In answer to your question about being good enough; at the present moment, the answer is no. My will is not aligned with his will nor is my purpose the one he has in mind for me. Therefore I would not even make it into Heaven in the first place. Remember before you get to Heaven you have to be judged. Since God can look into your heart and know the true you, your eternal destiny lies within you. The question then is not what do I think, but what do you want to do?
2007-02-06 00:41:30 · answer #2 · answered by JJ 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Satan wasn't unhappy, he just wanted the power. Heaven is probably perfect but you have to admit, even in a perfect situation, someone (in this case Satan) will find a problem. That's just freewill. You can always choose to just be happy with what you got and he wasn't. He wanted more and thought he could do a better job.
I'm not sure if a believer might get tired of heaven. A believer probably did live on earth and dealt with the everyday crap we all get to deal with so any alternative is probably better than what we all go through. I don't think I'd complain too much about a place with no murder, sadness or tragedy. That's just me though.
2007-02-05 23:51:12 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
I believe this can be looked at as a metaphorical story about greed. Let me see if I can phrase this how I want to... I want to say that you are so caught up in what others have that you don't concentrate on how good your life is and what you have, so greed drives you to go after what someone else has until you lose everything you had and are left with nothing. In a sense you are your own worst enemy that you can already live a heavenly life here and now if you don't let greed stand in your way. And it can't be considered god's fault if your greed leads you away. And No I'm not a christian. Of course I could just be talking outta my a** about this metaphorical thing
2007-02-05 23:55:35 · answer #4 · answered by freeballn83 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
In ancient Jewish tradition Satan is simply an angel doing the work that God assigned to Satan to do.
The word Satan means challenger. With the idea of Satan challenging us, or tempting if you will. This description sees Satan as the angel who is the embodiment of man's challenges. This idea of Satan works closely with God as an integral part of Gods plan for us. His job is to make choosing good over evil enough of a challenge so that it becomes clear to us that there can be only one meaningful or logical choice.
Contrast this to Christianity, which sees Satan as God's opponent. In Jewish thought, the idea that there exists anything capable of setting itself up as God's opponent would be considered polytheistic or setting up the devil to be an equally powerful polarity to god or a demigod.
Oddly, proof for The Christian satan/devil mythology is supposedly found in the ancient Jewish texts that were borrowed to create the bible. One can’t help but wonder how Christians came up with such a fantastically different interpretation of Gods assistant Satan in their theology.
Other hints about Satan’s role in human relations can be seen if you look at the name Lucifer. It’s meaning in the original tongue translates as Light bearer or light bringer. Essentially the bringer of enlightenment. The temptations of the Satan idea bring all of us eventually into Gods light. Hardly the Evil entity of Christian mythology.
Love and blessings
don
2007-02-06 17:24:21 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
First, an imperfect creation does NOT imply an imperfect creator. Just because if YOU were perfect you believe that you would only create perfection does not mean that because God is perfect HE should only create perfection.
Second, you will end up where you belong. Those who go to heaven do so because of their desire to spend eternity with the Divine. Those who go to Hell do so because of their desire to spend eternity separated from the Divine. No one who attains heaven becomes dissatisfied with it and ends up "going to hell" later. No one who goes to Hell decides "later" that they'd really rather be in heaven.
Satan, you must remember, did not earn heaven, but was created there. He was cast out when, through his own free will, he decided that he wanted to ascend to equality with God. I personally don't have that problem - I will never attempt in my thoughts or heart to put myself above God.
"Most people say they want to serve God, but they wish to do so in an advisory capacity!"
2007-02-05 23:53:33 · answer #6 · answered by jbtascam 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
in heaven you still have to serve God. The reason Satan fell was because of free will. Satan was given beauty, intellect, and pride, so he thought he should be equal to God. If you're in heaven you'll probably be happy enough to serve God without complaint.
2007-02-05 23:51:38 · answer #7 · answered by psst..its me 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Well first of all...Satan wasn't unhappy he thought he could be greater than God and make things better than God ever could...secondly angels are different from people...and thirdly i don't why it matters...i rather be there and be unhappy than be in hell and burn for eternity...God is a gracious God...therefore he gave us a choice whether to except him or to not except him so baasically it is up to us...
2007-02-05 23:48:50 · answer #8 · answered by manda 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
One of the few passages in the Bible about Satan in heaven is Job chapter one. I think it shows his character quite well.
``One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, `Where have you come from?` Satan answered the LORD, ``From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it. The LORD said to Satan `Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and turns away from evil.` Then Satan answered the LORD ` Does Job fear God for nothing?`
2007-02-05 23:59:27 · answer #9 · answered by andy c 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Just take it simple. The devil was a retard. And then he convinced angels to be with him. But the remainders in heaven are the smart ones, and have been enchanted with God's love. I will go to heaven when I die, and I will be one of the enchanted ones.
2007-02-05 23:50:19 · answer #10 · answered by unknown 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
People don't become angels when they go to heaven. When we get there we will then understand fully, and be a peace.
2007-02-05 23:48:10 · answer #11 · answered by Ripplediane 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋