Question for proponents of Intelligent Design being taught in School?

Question

This question is for those who are in favor of intelligent design being taught in school,

Please review some of the answers to this question,

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Many of us, myself included, believe that Intelligent Design is psuedo science, and an attempt to put religious beliefs into the classroom.

What is your reaction to what we are saying?

Is there a compromise in this issue?

Answer 1

Interesting that so few proponents of Intelligent Design have answered your question. But then maybe many of them realize there's no way for them to deny ID is just a tool to get THEIR religious beliefs taught and endorsed in the classrooms of our nation as the "correct" belief, or at least an alternative way to think about the creation of the world. What I don't understand is why these seemingly devout people need to have it taught in our classrooms. If they believe it and teach it to their children outside of school, isn't that enough??? Or are their children starting to doubt the teachings and they recognize the need for a government to endorse their way of looking at the world? If that's the case, shouldn't that be an indication there might be "problems" with the way their religion explains things, or at least that they shouldn't be teaching their stories as fact if their children can't accept them as fact?

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Answer 2

Heres my question for you, Do you believe in the Big Bang? If so, then how did that dust or whatever it was get there in the first place? Do you believe in cause and effect, like for example, somebody bumped a cup, so now water is spilling everywhere, so how did that water get there? Because somebody bumped a cup How did the dust get there? Because... of a rock? then what caused the rock to exist? This could go on for a loooong time but I want to end it, so heres my final statement, Something or somebody made that dust exist, so then do you not agree that their is at least a higher being? Which kind of proves Intelligent Design.

Answer 3

I don't think either should be taught in school. Intelligent Design or Evolution.

Anything to do with the Bible or religion should be taught by the parents. It's there responsibility to teach their children spiritually.

Evolution, caveman etc.. has not been proven, so it should not be taught.

School should stick with the facts. Forget teaching kids how we got here. Start with the first known civilization or stick with first world power, Babylon. Why confuse kids. There's a lot in science that can be taught that does have to do with the Big Bang Theory etc..

Answer 4

Science is about mechanism, how do things work? Who created or is operating the mechanism is not a scientific question since it cannot be subjected to the scientific method. ID will become a science only when the nature and source of the intelligence can be empirically demonstrated. That is why religion is a matter of faith, not science, and religion has no place in a science class.

Answer 5

Intelligent Design is as important to include in science class as the theory that diseases are caused by bad blood and ill humors or that psychological disorders are the result of demonic possession. Until such things are seen for what they are, they will continue to have "scientific credibility" with the lay community.

Then again, I am for including the Norse mytholical creation myth as a part of discussions of "Intelligent Design." My discussion would lead up to the point of explaining how, if science MUST pick a religious position, that science is inherently AGNOSTIC! Science *must* say this about the issue of religion:
"Science is based on a foundation of inquiry and uncertainty. As such, science can no better 'prove' that God exists than if not. If there were such scientific evidence, then the reasoning and evidence for such knowledge would be so persausive that only the mentally disabled would be unable to accept such a fact. As it stands, the scientific community isn't even sure the Law of Gravity is 100% correct and that's a law that even the most corrupt would have trouble breaking."

After such a discussion, it should be clear what is and is not science and why study of chemistry is more serious than pissant arguments over creation vs. evolution.

ID fanatics: It's no mystery to me, as an academic advisor, why so few of your students go on to become nurses or doctors. Were you spending your time on serious science instead of this pitiful waste of time, there would be far more AMERICAN CHRISTIAN doctors in this country. But no!! You piddle around on THIS crap! So now we need a freakin' translator for our damn doctor's visits! You are lazy and ID is your lame excuse! I'm tired of that crap.

Atheist professors: As far as science teaching is concerned, I don't give a damn about your beliefs. You know what science is and you should damn well know better than to spout your religious "certainty" about there being no God in your classroom. I tell students that it is perfectly fine to call you on that in class, in your evaluations, and anywhere else they please. Using science class time to proselytize is as wrong for you as it would be for a Jehovah's Witness, so please do shut up about "there is no God," ok?

Answer 6

ID is essentially creationism under another name. While evolution is not 100% certain, neither is any scientific theory, it has undergone rigorous testing. Yes, science does not "prove" anything, but neither does religion.

Dont you think that if evolution was a straw position it would have been discredited by now. Thousands of graduate students for the last few hundred years have been trying to discredit evolution. Obviously, they haven;t been able to so it is a strong position.

I dont think there is a compromise, unfortunately. Religious people wouldnt be happy if ID or creationism was taught as religion and not science.

Answer 7

If evolution would teach that the origin of man is unknown and the origin of life is unknown, then there is no need to teach intelligent design. But if Evolutionist insist on continuing to teach a different beginning than the Bible's God created version which both are considered unprovable or God's Word against man's word, then teach all the beginnings ever thought of by man. So our children can be the most confused generation that ever lived. Without faith, no one can determine what happened over 6000 years ago.

Evolutionist have done more than their share of lying to us. To hear millions and billions of years mentioned like it is truth makes me sick to my stomach. It is a great deception!

Answer 8

I think you're far too generous.
ID is not "pseudo science" -- that's giving it far too much credit.
It's not science of any kind. It conducts no repeatable (therefore provable or falsifiable) experiments, produces no hypotheses that can be tested against experiment or observation, and makes grand assumptions based on facts not in evidence.
It is quite simply an attempt to convince children through public schools that religion is a viable option to science when it comes to explaining natural processes, when religion does no such thing.

No, there is no room for compromise. Indoctrinating children in the superstitions of religion can be done in the home or church, it has no place in public school.
Do ID proponents not realize that if their christian mythology is allowed to be taught in public schools, then EVERY religious mythology will have to be allowed? Every other religious creation myth has just as much evidence as the christian one, and is just as valid (which is to say, not valid at all) -- so if yours is OK to teach, so are all the others. You want your kids being taught that the earth was created from a sex act by two sea creatures (the Ainu myth)? Or the creation myth of Shiva from the Hindu tradition? They have just as much proof as you do (none)...

Answer 9

When people say "I want both taught because my faith deserves equal time in science class", that's EXACTLY when the Flying Spaghetti Monster is supposed to step in. After all, that's when we first heard about the Noodly Master in the first place, when Creationists in Kansas insisted that their faith be taught alongside evolution to schoolchildren.

Well... if their faith gets equal time, why not the creation theory of the Pastafarians? Why deny them their equal time with their equal faith?

Answer 10

And you are correct.... religion and science are different... and in schools we ought to be teaching logical thinking, the scientific method, laws of inheritance, DNA, evolution, the Galapagos Islands, Darwin, and leave the religious crap to the churches. Intelligent design, whatever that could possibly prove is more silliness.... this nation was founded on no religion, and no theism... church and state were strictly separated... and it should remain so, and was so, when I taught............