Other Christians say the Trinity is bogus...how do they explain my other two questions?

Question

-That a voice spoke out of the sky the day Jesus was baptised.
-That Steven saw Jesus standing at the Father's right hand.

I've heard some actually say that Jesus threw His voice while being baptized.

So my questions are...how can you explain these two points without the Trinity, and still say the gospels are infallible?

By the way, I'm a Christian, I'm just looking for an explaination of their belief.

Answer 1

How do those who deny the Trinity deal with the baptism of Jesus?

I’m not sure what “Christian” group you are referring to that denies the Trinity. In all honesty, a belief in the Trinity is one of the most foundational points of our Christian faith, and it is one that we must believe wholeheartedly. To not believe in the Trinity would be to not be Christian since our salvation really is dependent upon accepting the Father’s testimony by submitting to the Holy Spirit and embracing the Son.

Groups that deny the divinity of Christ would say that God (the Father) was speaking from heaven to Jesus who was the son that he had created. This would be groups like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Christadelphians. I do not believe either of these groups can truly be referred to as Christian. The explanation for the Stephen’s vision passage would be the same.

One group you may be thinking of is the Oneness Pentecostals – those who deny the Trinity yet affirm the idea that Jesus is God. The idea here, from the oneness mindset is that Jesus is God the Father / Spirit and God the Son. The explanation of the baptism of Jesus would be that God is omnipresent (always present everywhere) and that the divine nature (Father/Spirit) recognized the human nature (Jesus). In Jet Witherspoon Toole’s “Acts: The Amazing History of the Early Church” we see a classic “oneness” explanation of Stephen’s vision at his martyrdom. Toole writes, “Some would interpret Stephen’s vision of Jesus standing on the right hand of God as signifying that He was a separate entity from God. But this statement must be interpreted in light of all the scriptures concerning the Godhead.” From here she lists a number of Scriptures that she believed supported the idea that the idea of Jesus standing at the right hand of the Father is not to be taken to mean that Jesus is distinct from his Father in person but that it is a phrase that speaks of his position and power as one who is indwelt in God and is God. This would be the “oneness” view of these passages. Of course, I would not classify this group as Christian because of their denial of the Trinity.

Most of these groups that deny the Trinity accept the Scriptures as without error, but they interpret the Scriptures in a way contrary to the way they are meant to be interpreted. This is why we all should not be satisfied with the reading of Scripture alone, but we should also be passionate about hearing Scripture explained and expounded upon.

I’m not sure if this helps, but if you would like to discuss this further, feel free to e-mail me. I will be glad to discuss this matter further.

Answer 2

Both sides generally agree that The Father and Jesus Christ (The Son, The Word) and The Holy Spirit all exist - The Bible is very clear on that. The disagreement usually centers on the question of whether The Holy Spirit is an equal and separate God entity, or whether The Holy Spirit is actually the outflowing power and presence of The Father and The Son. Three Members, or Two Members plus The Spirit of Them? You can pick and choose scriptures to represent both cases. No matter how you describe it, the most important issue is getting there.

Answer 3

there is not any scripture that reads God the Son or God the Holy Spirit. it rather is only interior the creeds of adult adult males not the Bible. the reason of the trinity like the three states of water is human conjecture not scriptural God inspired reasonings. the classic Hebrews who worshipped the genuine God in no way taught or known the trinity of their faith. The trinity is confusing to the visual allure of Jesus on earth and Father interior the heaven and the holy spirit not given a guy or woman sort in any respect. the purpose of the Bible grew to become into to not mystify human beings yet to bare the genuine id of God that we'd desire to be able to appreciate. The trinity grew to become into progressed centuries after Christ. The Bible does not explicitly prepare the trinity. The trinity is in basic terms a enjoyed concept by those led to have self assurance it, there is not any scriptural defence for it.

Answer 4

God exists beyond time. He can play with it all He wants. Consider the time traveller that needs to be in two places at once. how does he do it? He does as much as he can the first time around. Then, he comes back, a few minutes or hours older than he was, and performs the other tasks that needed doing. Theoretically, you could become an army of one, as long as none of you get killed. And for God, that's not an issue.
So God simply 'came back' three times for the Baptism.

And since the Father's Voice was confused with thunder, it is unlikely that Jesus threw His voice the way a ventriloquist would.

Answer 5

I believe in all the above including the trinity for Jesus said
Matthew 28:19. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Answer 6

the gospel is infallible
Why worry, you can not make it to heaven.... only men can go..
which is in

revelations14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Answer 7

I guess that I don't understand your question. With some Christians they think the Father Son and Holy Ghost are all one God. That they say is the trinity. As you your self have shown The God head is consisted of three separate individuals God the father, Jesus the son, and the Holy Ghost who is still in spirit form. All three working for the eternal welfare of mankind with one mind or maybe I should say one purpose, the exultation of mankind so that we can return to the father in heaven.

Answer 8

The trinity is a teaching tradition not scriptural. Some will blindly tell you if you deny the teaching you are not christian so where in the Bible does it say you should believe in a trinity?

Answer 9

There is only One God.
His name is Jesus.

I love the time traveler answer above me...hey, if Harry Potter and Hermoine Granger can use a "time turner" to be in two places at once, I see no reason why God (Who, as the person pointed out, exist outside of t ime, and can enter and leave it at any point at will), can do it too!!

Answer 10

The weak link isn't the Trinity, it's the infallibility of the Bible.