was 1935 the year that the selection to heaven stopped due to being filled?

Question

As many are aware, JW's have for years had a two-tier class system in place. In fact, when I was at Bethel, Freddy used to tell us for years they called them "Secondary Christian" aka "second class". According to the boys in writing, God put this second class system in FULL SWING OR place in 1935. So this afternoon I get a call from this non-JW I have known for some years. I told him the next time a JW stopped by to ask them this question: "How do you prove from the Bible that 1935 was the year that the selection to heaven stopped due to being filled?" On Saturday, 2 friends stopped by his house in service. He and his wife invited them in and allowed them to go through their little funky CANNED presentation from this month's KM. After their friends finished, they said, "We have a question," and they asked them to show them from their KJV or their JW Bible where it indicates that in 1935 the door to heaven was shut? We all know what happened. They could not take them to the Bible and show them that,

so they asked to return on Sunday with someone who was more INFORMED ON EXPLAINING THE DEEEEEEEPER THINGS IN THE BIBLE so the couple agreed. Today the brother returned with one of the ELDERS. YEP they get to COUNT it as a RV. Anyway the elder prepared himself before they came. JW's have a very up-to-date Kingdom Hall, you see. They have a computer in the Elder's Office at the hall so the elder printed out a ton of WT publications to take over. I guess to show the non-JW that it does states 1935 as the year the door was closed "IN PRINT". Due to the fact that I had prepared him, the non-JW was ready. The elder went into the talk that Rutherford gave in DC, and showed him all the articles that stated the door shut in 1935. The non-JW was ready with his questions. SO HE ASKED HIM a series of questions:

1. Were ANY of the publications that stated 1935 as the year, INSPIRED?

2. Was the Writer of those articles INSPIRED?

3. WAS J.F. Rutherford INSPIRED WHEN he gave that talk in DC stating that 1935 was the date?

We all know what the poor elder had to say to ALL those questions 1. NO 2. NO 3. NO. SO THEN MY MAN said he asked the elder again, "Could you take me to the Inspired Word of God using either your Bible or mine and show me where it indicates 1935 as the year the door to heaven was shut? Once again the poor elder couldn't do it. So my friend asked him, "Since you can't take me directly to the Bible and show me this, unlike if I asked is stealing ok then would you agree that it calls for some form of INTERPRETATION?" OUR DEAR ELDER MADE a serious mistake here for he said, "Yes it does." So my dear friend asked him, "Who in the JW religion does the interpretation?

Well, the bro told him the FDS helps us to understand the deeper meaning of things. So he asked him, "Are you saying that they INTERPRET THE BIBLE FOR YOU?" and the elder said, "Yes they do." I had already told him that JW's normally say (if they are UP-TO -DATE): "We don't try to interpret the Bible, the Bible says interpretation belong to Jehovah." So the dear elder opened his mouth and inserted his foot. So the non-JW told him that he had spoken to a former Bethelite who worked at the World Headquarters of JW's aka "1" who indicated to him that, "As JW's, we don't do interpretations since it only belongs to Jehovah." So he said at this point, the poor elder just started to get bent out of shape. He was lost, so the elder told him that what he needed

was A BIBLE STUDY. THIS WAY HE COULD LEARN THE DEEEEPER THINGS IN the Bible; but first he needed to learn the basics. So my man asked him, "If I have a Bible study, will I then be able to turn to the Inspired Word of God and find the 1935 date showing that God shut the door?" The poor elder told him, "No, he would not. BUT you would understand how we came to understand that 1935 was the date according to the Bible." You've got to feel sorry for the dear elder and especially the poor publisher who saw an elder bring a ton of UNINSPIRED printouts and couldn't just take the Word of God and answer the man's question. So the next time a JW stops by, ask for Inspired Word of God Bible text that says that in 1935 the door was shut. Don't settle for anything less than the real Inspired Word of God

not some Knock off brand called the WT publications. Is it not amazing how when a non-JW knows just a little about the organization and WT teachings how they can bring your average 20-40 year JW to his knees just by asking a few simple questions. How sad!

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Answer 1

Do Jehovah's Witnesses themselves really feel like they are "second class" to the limited number with a heavenly hope?

No.

Interestingly, no human tells any Jehovah's Witness whether he is a member of Christ's heavenly "little flock" or earthly "other sheep". Among the nearly SEVEN MILLION active Witnesses, literally 99.99% choose to identify THEMSELVES with the earthly hope, and consider their hope of eternal salvation to be a divine gift from God. Since each Christian "feels" his hope in his heart, there is nothing human to prevent any Witness from deciding that he is "anointed" (of the 144,000) with a heavenly hope, yet in the last few years literally ONE in 10,000 choose to identify himself in this so-called "first class".

No specific bible verses teach that the full count of 144,000 "anointed" ones was complete by 1935. Instead, Jehovah's Witness simply note that the numbers of self-described "anointed" peaked in the 1930's. Since the statistics continued to decrease in the decades after, it seems rather obvious that the full count must have been reached in the mid-1930's.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not attach any "dreamy", magical, or "inspired" significance to the specific year 1935. The question is a non-starter for anti-Witnesses unless the anti-Witness can trick a naive Witness (even a naive supposed "elder") to accept the flawed initial premise of this so-called "question".

As excommunicated former Witnesses well know, Jehovah's Witnesses do not claim to receive any special information from heaven, beyond the bible itself. For over 125 years, Jehovah's Witnesses have repeatedly and plainly presented their teachings as the results of sincere bible research, rather than as some special revelation from heaven. Only an enemy would insist on focusing on some minor teaching from 50, 75, or 100 years ago, which is unrelated to the work performed in our day...

The work that specifically enjoys the holy spirit is the ongoing global preaching work, which can only be accomplished with God's continued blessing. It seems interesting that no other self-described Christian group comes close to comparing with this work by Jehovah's Witnesses. The central message of Kingdom "good news" remains plain and clear and central to Witness doctrine; many other matters are merely interesting and relatively minor.

(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

Answer 2

TIME IN THE BIBLE

I have tried to read every thing, but that is not easy. But my questions are with the inspired word and trying to get acquainted with the givers [ GIVER ],and his pattern, habit or any particular method, so that I may understand as did the holy prophets and apostles. How much does he leave as guess for his ELECT or for imitaters of them?

What would be the ultimate and maximum time from Eden, would the bible support the
ultimate and maximum time? So what time from Eden does the bible support?

Who can say [ of 1918 ],"Millions now living will never die." Is 1918 and 100 at 2018 the
ultimate and maximum time after Eden? What if 2064 is the ultimate and maximum time?
THE ONLY THING I KNOW HERE IS WHEN I WOULD NOT SAY OR EXCEPT ALL SAID?

If 2520 after Babylon Empire #3 [ that was 606 BC ], ended Empire #7 at Rev.12:1-12;
SATAN HAS A SHORT TIME, would 2520 plus 150 as 2670 be it, when now is 2613?
Where are the two or three witnesses in the book to confirm SATAN'S SHORT TIME?
If this information is available to Rev.12:1-12; on what Michael of Jude 9; and Daniel 12:1-13; end times [ as Satan has a short time ], with the holy angels, did cast Satan and unholy angels out of heaven. WHY DOES IT STOP HERE? 2520 is at WW1 Rev.13: 1-5,6-10; [ why 2541 mean anything in time ? ], 2544 to 2551 is Rev.13:11-18; WW2. John 6:39,40,44; 14:3; The raised up at the last day when a place is prepared and Matt.22:42-44; Act 2:27-35; Heb.1:1-13; Rom.16:20 [ Satan down ]; prophecies are.

How does God the Father, and Jesus his son do things, what is there pattern, habit or method used for one to be sure on how to keep the information flowing toward truth, can one get acquainted with them, Acts 1:8; not the time, Acts 2:1-4; now is the time and 1Thes.4:15-17; is of the end times, so after is 1Thes.5:1-9,21; To children of the light of times and seasons, Jesus does not come as a thiel in the night. To the world, Jesus comes as a thief in the night. SO IS THE WHOLE TIME FROM EDEN GIVEN? HOW CAN ANYONE BE SURE OF ANYTHING? IS EARTH PREPARATION TIME AS A WHOLE 49,000 YEARS. CAN TIME IN EDEN & SHORT TIME AT END FOR SATAN BE KNOWN?
AM I SUPPOSED TO SEARCH IT FOR MYSELF OR BELIEVE SOME ONE ELSE? AM
I SUPPOSED TO DO ANYTHING BEFORE I AM SURE I HAVE ALL THE TRUTH?
EXAMPLE:
If Satan has 6,130 years from Eden [ ultimate and maximum time ], if he has 2520 from
Babylon Empire #3 to Rev.12:1-12; SATAN'S SHORT TIME, and we are now 2613 after Babylon Empire #3 [ that was 606 BC ], CAN 2670 GET INSPIRED SUPPORT FROM TWO SOURCES? as we get near Rev.20:1-6,12,13; no Satan, then Matt.24:3,7,14,
15,22,34,36-38; and 1Thes.5:1-9,21; does mean only God alone knows the day and the hour of time, but he has given everything else so there is no mistakes.

Answer 3

You are absolutely right. A disciple of Jesus Christ with a BIBLE in hand will be able to defend the Father and SON every time. Thank you for sharing this with the readers! It certainly inspired me. Have a great day.
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Answer 4

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Answer 5

Uhhhh.....NO!