If Surah 9:5 is misquoted as being violent?

Question

Then I fail to see how. It says to kill Pagans. That is violent to me, even if it is only defensively. In the Tahnak, Bible, and Apocrypha, Christians and Jews are ordered not to kill at all. Even soldiers who do their job are in sin. The only time violence is acceptable is when God Himself orders it or commits it. This theme is of paticular importance in the Christian text. I see very little "love theology" in the Quran. Surah 9 (The entire chapter) is essentially offering a bypass to peace. And it can be interpreted as a clear license to kill. Muslims, please help me contend with this.

Answer 1

So you think a town should just sit there and let them kill them? Would you? If it were you, would you just sit there or would you fight back?

Answer 2

That's ridiculous. You wrote "The only time violence is acceptable is when God Himself orders it or commits it". Your argument actually validates the Qur'anic verse, because God is ordering people to kill in self defence. This is part of the civic responsibility of their community, to defend the lives of men, women and children. This is not a sin, because it is a necessity which God Himself has sanctioned.

The Qur'an DOES say that if the pagans desire peace, the Muslims must accept peace and that God hates those who start wars.

Answer 3

The same verse also says if they repent then forgive them and that is again after they started fighting first as you mention too.

By the way there is a LOT of violence in Bible and Torah.

Answer 4

I think God would not come to the earth to fight for us when we would have been attacked by some enemy ?? there are specific means for everything and for defence it is just to come forward and teach a lesson to the ones who want to destroy you .. Just give me a simple answer...........would you just sit back calmy and would present your place in a plate to the enemies who attack you and want to abolish your sovereignty?? ofcourse not !!!

And Btw your teacings and your actions are totally different........Just curious what scripture christains are following In iraq and what scripture jews are following in palestine??

Answer 5

From my knowledge of the Old Testament it is full of murder, rape, incest, ethnic cleansing etc etc etc.......

The Popes of the past have used the arguement God told them to massacre muslims, fellow christians etc to justify there actions.

Answer 6

it's forbidean to fight those people:

1) Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace).
2) or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people.
3) if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allâh has opened no way for you against them.

[90] Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allâh willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allâh has opened no way for you against them.
Quran 4:90

4) be kind to those did not fight you for account of religion neither kick you out of your home.

[8] Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity.
Quran 60:8

5) peace to those who gives peace to you.

[61] But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in Allâh. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
QUran 8:61