Why do people ignore that the Church used Plato's philosophy on the Logos as support for the dogma of Trinity?

Question

Are they just unaware? I had to read this in Will Durant's book "The Age of Faith".

Or maybe I read it in "The Age of Greece". Anyways, I would not have known about the Logos and Plato's influence on Roman Catholicism if not for Durant.

Answer 1

Will Durant isn't exactly a scholar of ancient Christianity. His atheistic bias runs through his work like a greased pig. His history of philosophy spends a third of the book on Voltaire, who wasn't exactly a philosopher (nor atheist).

It wasn't just Plato's view of Logos that Justin Martyr used in defending Christ to Romans. Logos and "divine reason" was all through Greek philosophy. The early Church made wide use of Greek philosophical concepts and terminology to formulate their own doctrines and wisely so. Greek thought made the perfect vocabulary to express ideas they saw in Scripture.

Is there a reason not to use Greek philosophy or terminology?

Answer 2

Are things which are knowed ,which are unknowed yet and which can't be knowed by an men. Things which can't be knowed by mens, are inspired by The Saint Trinity . Plato was inspired and saied many thrue things. But what the Church knows is more than the Plato's philosophy. All which is about love,peace, joy, armony, charity are from God. In the Old Testament God speaks by profets, in the New Testament speaks by Jesus Christ, today speaks by prophets(jnsr.be/)

Answer 3

the poeple who have responded so far show how people will believe anything without question

the concept of the trinity comes from the bible...there is (1)Father (2) Son, and (3) Holy Spirit .

the word trinity just means 3, which is not in the bible, but is just a term of convenience...so one does not have to say "Father Son, and Holy Spirit " every time.

it has nothing to do with plato... will durant, whoever he is , is wrong.

Answer 4

I worship God the daddy, notice/Son & the Holy Spirit. the clarification God is a Trinity is by using the fact without the fulness of God the daddy, notice & Holy Spirit, no longer something could have been created. Elohim stated, "enable us to make guy in our photograph.". We have been made in in basic terms like God; a physique, soul & spirit, a trinity too. till Adam ate of the forbidden fruit & died spiritually (forbidden tree of life) then interior of an age (one thousand yrs) died bodily. The soul went the place our lord god places the souls. it relatively is written in 1Jn5 that there are 3 that undergo witness in heaven; the daddy, notice & Holy Spirit and those 3 are one. whilst 3 are one, this is a Trinity. There are different examples of trinities. a three leaf clover. a man or woman born of God; physique, soul & spirit. An egg has a yoke, white & shell. yet God is a Trinity first in that God the writer is the daddy, notice & Holy Spirit. in the previous something became into created. There are fake Trinity doctrines. however the devil does attempt to thieve Gods identification in all of Gods features.

Answer 5

Did Moses steal from him too? Moses (1500bc)Is the docrine of the trinty simply a Gospel teaching? Do you think that the Greeks may have gotten concepts from the books of Moses? Let us create man in our Image and God formed man from the dirt and breathed in a spirit and the two became a living soul? Isiah tells us the man Emanuel which is interpreted God with us would be born from a virgin ...(and dont even debate this) and would atone for sin.

Answer 6

Most people are not concerned with the concepts and basics of the Christian doctrine. They found themselves Christians and they go on with their lives. Most Christians are not interested in these issues...they regard wordly issues as being far more important.

Answer 7

You don't need anything to support the Trinity, it is clearly found in the Bible.

Answer 8

Yes they are unaware. What are you kidding me. The Bible is Chakled full of historical refrences and stuff and Christians don't know that. They are also unaware that at the rise of Chrisianity, there were many salvation religions forming of which Chirisitianity draws its tenants on.

Answer 9

I am an Atheist and I was not aware of this. I will have to research it further for myself.

Answer 10

Theologians Admit Trinity Not Taught in the Bible

The word Trinity is not found in the Bible. Mosheim, in his History of the Church, and Gibbon, in his The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire (Ch. 21), both acknowledge this. Apparently, the word was first used in an apologetic work of Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch in Syria, in the latter half of the second century. The Trinity of this Bishop, however, was not the modern doctrine of co-equality, but rather a trinity of attributes rather than of persons, and he says expressly, "The true God (i.e. the Father) is alone to be worshipped." It was not until the fourth century, at a time of great apostasy from the pure Apostolic faith, that the doctrine of the Trinity was actually introduced. It caused heated controversy, for many still adhered to the teaching of the one God. But gradually the new doctrine prevailed, and ultimately became accepted as basic Christian teaching, fulfilling the prophecy that religious leaders would "make the Word of God of none effect through their tradition" (Mark 7:13; 2 Tim. 4:3).

The doctrine is one of confusion, because it is drawn not from the Bible, but from pagan mythology. One edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica states:

"The propositions constitutive of the dogma of the Trinity were not drawn directly from the New Testament, and could not be expressed in New Testament terms. They were the products of reason speculating on a revelation to faith ... They were only formed through centuries of effort, only elaborated by the aid of the conceptions and formulated in the terms of Greek and Roman metaphysics."

In short, they were developed, not from the Bible, but from pagan mythology.

That is confirmed by a statement made by Mr. F. J. Wilkin, M.A., D.D., Professor of Theology, Baptist College of Victoria, Australia. In a book attacking Christadelphian teaching, he made the following revealing comment:

"In the Old Testament, the Unity of God was clearly affirmed. The Jewish creed, repeated in every synagogue today, was 'Hear, 0 Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord (Deut. 6:4). This was the faith of the first Christians, so Paul writes, 'There is one God and Father of all, Who is above all and through all and in you all" (Eph. 4:6). But gradually some addition or modification of this creed was found necessary. Christians were fully persuaded of the Deity of Jesus Christ and later of the Deity of the Holy Spirit, and they were compelled to relate these convictions with their belief in the Unity of God. During many years, the problem was discussed and many explanations were attempted. One advanced by Sabellius, that became fairly popular was that Christ and the Holy Spirit were successive manifestations of the Supreme Being, but finally, the belief prevailed that the words Father, Son, Spirit, declared eternal distinctions in the Godhead. That is, that the Trinity of Manifestation revealed a Tri-unity of Being. In other words,' that Christ and the Holy Spirit were coeternal with the Father. With the exceptions of the Unitarians, this is the belief of Christendom today... But Christadelphianism denies the Trinity ... In this denial it challenges all Christian Churches" (From Christadelphianism, published by The Australian Baptist, Victoria).

Gen 1:26 And God430 said,559 Let us make6213 man120 in our image,6754 after our likeness:1823 and let them have dominion7287 over the fish1710 of the sea,3220 and over the fowl5775 of the air,8064 and over the cattle,929 and over all3605 the earth,776 and over every3605 creeping thing7431 that creepeth7430 upon5921 the earth.776
"Let us" was the angels as we know by looking at all the parts of the bible the Heb word is
H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhîym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
as we can see below in Gen 23:6 430 is translated mighty
Gen 23:5 And the children1121 of Heth2845 answered6030 (853) Abraham,85 saying559 unto him,
Gen 23:6 Hear8085 us, my lord:113 thou859 art a mighty430 prince5387 among8432 us: in the choice4005 of our sepulchers6913 bury6912 (853) thy dead;4191 none376, 3808 of4480 us shall withhold3607 from4480 thee (853) his sepulcher,6913 but that thou mayest bury4480, 6912 thy dead.4191

and to show tha the angels do gods work
Psa 103:20 Bless1288 the LORD,3068 ye his angels,4397 that excel1368 in strength,3581 that do6213 his commandments,1697 hearkening8085 unto the voice6963 of his word.1697
just so there is no confution what the number 4397 means
H4397
מלאך
mal'âk
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.
so there is no trinity and to help you people with where it came from here you go
The doctrine is one of confusion, because it is drawn not from the Bible, but from pagan mythology. One edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica states:

"The propositions constitutive of the dogma of the Trinity were not drawn directly from the New Testament, and could not be expressed in New Testament terms. They were the products of reason speculating on a revelation to faith ... They were only formed through centuries of effort, only elaborated by the aid of the conceptions and formulated in the terms of Greek and Roman metaphysics."

In short, they were developed, not from the Bible, but from pagan mythology.

and some one on your own side might help with you confusion so here it is.
That is confirmed by a statement made by Mr. F. J. Wilkin, M.A., D.D., Professor of Theology, Baptist College of Victoria, Australia. In a book attacking Christadelphian teaching, he made the following revealing comment:

"In the Old Testament, the Unity of God was clearly affirmed. The Jewish creed, repeated in every synagogue today, was 'Hear, 0 Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord (Deut. 6:4). This was the faith of the first Christians, so Paul writes, 'There is one God and Father of all, Who is above all and through all and in you all" (Eph. 4:6). But gradually some addition or modification of this creed was found necessary. Christians were fully persuaded of the Deity of Jesus Christ and later of the Deity of the Holy Spirit, and they were compelled to relate these convictions with their belief in the Unity of God. During many years, the problem was discussed and many explanations were attempted. One advanced by Sabellius, that became fairly popular was that Christ and the Holy Spirit were successive manifestations of the Supreme Being, but finally, the belief prevailed that the words Father, Son, Spirit, declared eternal distinctions in the Godhead. That is, that the Trinity of Manifestation revealed a Tri-unity of Being. In other words,' that Christ and the Holy Spirit were coeternal with the Father. With the exceptions of the Unitarians, this is the belief of Christendom today... But Christadelphianism denies the Trinity ... In this denial it challenges all Christian Churches" (From Christadelphianism, published by The Australian Baptist, Victoria).

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