Okay, who are more stupid?, part 2 !?

Question

Those who say 'my rottie is lovely, therefore those who call Rotties dangerous are wrong,
or
Those who say a Rottie killed a child therefore all rotties are dangerous,
or
Those who say 'there are no bad dogs, just bad owners'

Okay, now you may start to crucify me, or maybe you see my point........(or at least answer the question)

Answer 1

yup i agree completely. with all of them. :P each person is right and wrong,,, but nobody seems to take into consderation the fact that i could be the temperment of the individual dog, or the situation that the dog is in,,,, if he's at home in his own living room with his masters, and being treated normally and lovingly, then he's gonna be an angel. but, if he's in an alley, and three teenage boys are chasing it or tieing things to it's feet or tail, then, chances are he's not gonna be the nicest dog on earth. just like us,,,,,,, if you poke me, i'm gonna say something to you,, not just sit there and be an angel,,,, and if you are mean to me, then i'll do what i can to protect myself, just like the dog. I don't see anything wrong with Rotties, or any other type of dog. sometimes it is the owner, sometimes it is the dog, and sometimes it is the situation. it all depends.

good post!!

Answer 2

They are all generalisations, and there will allways be exceptions. A better thing to say would be most rotties are lovely, with good temperments, but a few canbe dangerous. The second is blattently wrong, as there are very few tragic cases like the example, but many, many good natured rotties.

The third saying is generally true - it is how the dog is raised and trained, and how it is treated, but like any species of animal, there will allways be a few who are just bad tempered and nothing you can do is going to change that. In such a case, a good owner would be able to recognise and acknowledge the fact that their dog is likly to bite and cause harm, and so would be responsible enough to restrain and muzzle the dog, thus preventing tragedies, but there will always be people who think an aggressive dog is a good status symbol, and so generally it is the owners fault not the dogs, especailly as a good owner will be able to recognise and avoid situations where the dog can get out of control, but again no statement like these can be 100% accurate, there will allways be exceptions to the generalisation.

Answer 3

I think they're all equal. I don't like calling people stupid, because sometimes very nice people say stupid things like this, but each of these statements are equally stupid.

Saying that no rotties are dangerous just because of one nice rottie is foolish. Saying that all rotties are dangerous because of one mean rottie is also foolish.

Saying that there are no bad dogs, just bad owners, is also foolish. It's true that the dog's personality does depend a lot on how well it was raised by the owner. But it's completely wrong to say that every bad dog is the way it is because it had a mean owner that "trained" it to be mean. A powerful dog with a strong guardian instinct can be mean even in the hands of an owner that treated it very well. I know a very good dog owner with a dog that would love to bite a stranger. It's the dog's nature to dislike strangers -- she didn't train it that way. I consider it to be a very bad dog, and yet she would be considered by most to be a good dog owner.

Answer 4

Any dog can bite/kill a child for many different reasons. Sometimes it's the child's fault, but it's always the dog that gets punished. I've met some nasty Rotties, but most of them have been fabulous, gentle dogs. Breeding also has something to do with it - a while back there was a line of Golden Retrievers who turned out vicious due to their parentage. It's just that certain breeds get a bad name.

Answer 5

There are DOMINANT dogs and bad owners... put the 2 together and you get a dog attack. I am reffering to dogs that are naturally dominant and aggressive, the ones that are born leaders.. with an educated, knowledgable, experienced owner these dogs can turn out great... with an inexperienced, cruel, ignorant and uneducated owner these dogs turn into the worst kind of killers and biters. Anybody can handle a submissive dog... they are the ones who no matter what kind of owner they are gentle, love everyone, ingratiating, etc Not everyone can handle a dominant dog.. they are pushy, aggressive, stubborn and independant... put one of those dogs with a submissive or violent person and you get a dog that is extremely dangerous... has food aggression, dominance aggression(with people and dogs) and will end up biting someone. The point is every dog and every person is unique... in combination some dogs and people are not good for eachother and it all ends with a dog attack. Rottweilers and other breeds like Siberian huskies, Shepherds, and Akitas that were bred to be independant, natural leaders, intelligent, motivated and focused are more at risk for becoming aggressive when in the wrong hands simply because they have been bred to be dominant self sufficient working dogs .... not because they are born mean or bad or evil. Its because they are born to be leaders, if they end up with an owner who is not a natural leader they take that role onto themselves.

I have a dominant dog he is a mutt with shepherd/husky etc, I know for a fact that if he had a submissive/abusive/follower as an owner he would already probably have attacked someone. Since I am an extremely dominant person myself who understands the mechanics of a social dominance hierarchy there is no problem because I am the undisputed leader of the pack and my dog accepts my authority as the law. When my BF lived here my dog utterly dominated him, took his food, his spot on the couch, never listened to his commands and basically treated him as an inferior member of our pack... that is dangerous because if people do not assert their dominance and leadership the dog may decide to physically punish them for reaching above their percieved social status. Thats what happens in a wild wolf pack, since dogs are a domesticated subspecies of wolf... if people do not understand how dogs function in social groups they are at risk for creating an aggressive dog. It isnt just Rottie or Pittys that can be dominant dogs, mutts, shih tzus, cocker spaniels, terriers, chihuahuas etc any dog of any breed can be born dominant, natural pack leaders... if they get a good owner it isnt a problem, if they get a bad owner it becomes a problem.

Answer 6

Some people might believe that your dog is a terrible breed because one day a Rotti killed a kid. You are the only one who knows your dog for who he/she is. There are bad owners, there are dangerous dogs, but I have seen them in and with Labs, Shepards, Chihuahuas....every breed has a few bad apples.

Answer 7

Neither are stupid. Most bad dogs are bad because of the breeding and the bad owners, but I also think a dog can be aggressive and dangerous because of something in the brain that goes haywire like with people. Some people are just born with problems that cause them to be mean and killers. A dog could have brain damage from birth that causes him to be the way he is.

Answer 8

All I can say, is that I believe the third to be the most truthful. People are mostly the reason there are bad dogs at all. Whether it's from bad breeding and using dogs with bad tempermants, or owners who don't feel the need to train their dogs to behave well, with others in general, then this is where I feel the biggest problem lies.

Answer 9

While I agree the first two are both candidates for the ML, I do believe most problems with dogs are a result of poor training and ownership. With that being said I have owned dogs that are harder to train or just had rotten temperaments. You cant really put 100% of the blame go to the owner. Why else would we temperament test a dog before we buy them?

Answer 10

Rottie killed a child therefore all rotties are dangerous,

cuz ive know one of the meanest rotties and the nicest rottie
and there not all mean.. the can be the f.uckin friendliest dogs ever. it depends who raises them