And you wonder why He gets upset with us....
2007-02-01 02:45:36 · 13 answers · asked by ScottyJae 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
JP- Prove God, or prove He created us?
Let's see... look out your window and look at the creation. Creation... Creator. Who is He? God. He put His laws on your heart. You know that this is true and you fight against it.
2007-02-01 02:54:52 · update #1
God is upset with His creation. He gave us this world and all are ALLOWED to take part in all the blessings around us no matter our beliefs. Yet we shake our fists at them and at the one who created them. AND... Even through all of this (disobedience of His laws), He still offers a way to Him and away from the punishment that we deserve for breaking those laws.
2007-02-01 02:59:31 · update #2
JP... come on. Let's look at our beliefs simply:
I believe that an omipotent being created everything out of nothing.
You believe that nothing became something, blew up, and turned into everything.
Neither of us can PROVE anything.
What are these natural laws you speak of? Who created them? If not, where did they come from?
2007-02-01 03:02:45 · update #3
Eldad: I did not choose any religion. I choose to accept the payment for my sin by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I didn't deserve it, I wasn't even around to ask for it. He gave it up before I even had the chance due to His foreknowledge. Now that's love.
JP: Sorry. You are right. I did make an assumption. Please email me with specifics and I'll see if I would be willing to give this a shot.
2007-02-01 03:57:58 · update #4
Bluto:
Nice argument to prove that I'M dilusional. Have another.
2007-02-01 05:51:45 · update #5
Thumbs up Scott. LEFTY
2007-02-01 02:49:50 · answer #1 · answered by Left Libby 2 · 2⤊ 3⤋
Really... why don't you just go right ahead and prove that, hmm?
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The existance of the universe is better explained by natural law. It is not evidence or proof of a deity.
Prove to me there is a creator. If you can prove the universe IS created, and not strictly a result of natural law, you're on to something. However, be VERY certain you understand the very vital difference between the Strong Anthropic Principle and the Weak Anthropic Principle. If you appeal to the Strong Anthropic Principle, it will be obvious that you do not have a proof. The Strong Anthropic Principle was disproven a long time ago.
Even if you prove there is a creator, you're still going to have to prove it was Yahweh, not Gaia and Chronos.
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You speak for me by saying I believe something I do not -- nothing did not become something. I find myself in agreement with inflaton theory given the current evidence, which is not a nothing-from-something scenario. It also explains the origins of natural law in the visible universe. This is the classic strawman logical fallacy.
So you admit you cannot prove your side. Very well, you may still yet have a salvagable arguement. Provide sufficient evidence to support the deific hypothesis, I'll even set the standard low -- most scientists set alpha and beta values of 95% certainty. Present enough evidence to reach 80% and you'll be on to something.
2007-02-01 10:48:39 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 0⤋
Yeah - think about that one just a while longer. You're heading towards one of the "questions that leads people into heresy."
Why WOULD an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, beneficient God create beings who would "rebel" against Him? In fact, how COULD He? He would've created them with the germ of their "rebellion" already within them, and have known that they were going to rebel from Eternity - even participated in the rebellion against Himself, since all things are part of God (even Satan). The universe of orthodox Christianity is just a bizarre one-Man puppet show.
"Let's see... look out your window and look at the creation. Creation... Creator. Who is He? God. He put His laws on your heart. You know that this is true and you fight against it."
This is pure sentimentalist dreck. It makes you feel good to say it, because it resonates with your programming, but it means absolutely nothing at all.
"I believe that an omipotent being created everything out of nothing. You believe that nothing became something, blew up, and turned into everything."
Then, obviously, who created your "omnipotent being"? But I suppose it's blasphemous to ask such things. Still, that doesn't alter the fact that to say "God created the universe" is a mere evasion, obscurum per obscuris - "explaining the obscure in terms of the more obscure."
2007-02-01 10:52:15 · answer #3 · answered by jonjon418 6 · 3⤊ 1⤋
In the view of physical science, every observable phenomenon can be explained on the bases of the known laws of nature or laws yet to be discovered. If there is a phenomenon that we cannot understand or explain with our present state of knowledge, then we have to await future discoveries and developments. The fact that we do not understand an event or a phenomenon should drive us to seek an understanding of it. There are no mysteries in science; everything has a scientific explanation.
2007-02-01 10:49:29 · answer #4 · answered by Irreverend 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Did you know that there is a difference between what you believe in and the factual truth?
If not, you must be a christian. Why did you pick that particular religion out of the thousands available? Is it just being born into it?
2007-02-01 10:52:21 · answer #5 · answered by eldad9 6 · 4⤊ 0⤋
did you know that you are a delusional psycopath?
can you prove that it wasn't the flying spaghetti monster who made all those things, because he did with his noodly appendages.
RAmen!
2007-02-01 11:04:54 · answer #6 · answered by Bluto Blutarsky4 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
If he gets upset, he should doesn't show it at all. He's not around.
Did you know that God is fictious being thought up by superstitious yokels who lived thousands of years ago?
2007-02-01 10:48:47 · answer #7 · answered by nondescript 7 · 3⤊ 3⤋
Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
2007-02-01 10:51:18 · answer #8 · answered by ? 5 · 1⤊ 5⤋
well, if he wanted idol worshipping robots, he should have stopped when he created angels. of course, lucifer didn't work out too well either.
2007-02-01 10:48:38 · answer #9 · answered by Angel Baby 5 · 3⤊ 2⤋
Well if he's omniscient, he should have known we were going to do that. So why be upset?
2007-02-01 10:49:30 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋