If you are "under grace" does that allow you to go intentionally breaking the Law?

Question

The fruit of the spirit should produce obedience...

So why do so many Christians keep breaking the Sabbath Law?
It is absolutely the most broken of all commandments. I'm not saying end sunday church...I'm saying rest on Saturday! It's FUN! And good for our families.

G-d took a day off while He was creating the UNIVERSE! Thats Him saying..."don't tell me your business is more important than mine! If I can take Friday dusk till Saturday dusk off.....can't you?"

Yes, the Sabbath is not Sunday. There is no Bible evidence it has been changed. It's a thing Catholics did to prove that they were more powerful than the Word and it makes me sick.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/sabatak.htm#admit7

If grace excuses us from this, does it also excuse me from Murder? Idol Worship? Theft? Its all the same in the counsels of G-d.

Comments and thoughts, please!
Blessings In Jesus
David

MyPreshus...its just a fact. Check the link

And next guy: I think the Bible just says we relax and enjoy the Sabbath! No work (like your regular job) G-d wants us to enjoy it! He made the Sabbath for us, not for us to be slaves to it! Its a day of intentional relaxation and fun...we all need it! Blessing...glad to see you are free from Sabbath bondage. Thats NOT what its about.

Answer 1

Jews keep Saturday, and Christians keep Sunday.

Once you make up your mind what you are, you will keep the relevant day.

Yisrael, af al pi she'hata, Yisrael hu.

Answer 2

God created the earth in six days, man on the sixth, then on the seventh He rested (Gen. 2:2). Each day had an "evening and morning," except for the seventh! The sabbath was intended to be eternal, with no more work days. Man was the last thing created, which means man didn't share in the work, it was a free gift, man was thus invited to rest with God, in the garden, forever.

But man sinned and fell, the eternal sabbath thus ended, the ground was cursed, and man had to work.

Later, through Moses, ten great precepts were given (Ex 20). These were a transcript of God's character, which is love. Among these, the fourth, was "remember" the sabbath. The word "remember" means the seventh day was not the sabbath but a "memorial" to the sabbath. The sabbath itself was a rest with God in a compleated work. This memorial was a reminder of the rest lost and the promised rest to come.

Jesus then came to this earth and compleated our salvation! We do not share in it. It is not by [our] works. We are only asked to rest in it [which we do by believing him (faith)]. This is called grace.

Since God (in Jesus) recompleated His work, the sabbath is changed (Hebrews 4:1-10). The new sabbath is "today"!!! You are invited to enter that rest today, it is grace, and when you enter, you rest eternal for grace does not end at sundown.

*by the way, if you make the sabbath into a "test," then you have fallen from grace, salvation is of grace and not works (test, or any other thing we do), because it is finished, when Jesus said; It is finished, upon the cross.

If I love my neaghbor; I won't kill him. And if I love God, I won't slight the cross, by adding to it!

Answer 3

Amen.. You are correct - the sabbath day IS Saturday, Yet from what I have read concerning history - it was not the Catholics whom originally changed the day of rest and worship to Sunday....

The first Christians considered themselfs to be also Jews, yet they accepted that Jesus was the promised Messiah.
In time the Jews acquired a negative reputation by the Roman Empire. This negative image of Jews is what caused the Jesus followers to change the day which they kept as sabbath..
In order to justify their Sunday worship - the early christians stressed that the new day of worship was to honor the resurrection of Jesus....Yet it trully was to separate themselfs from the non-beleiving Jews that were by then being prosecuted by the Romans.
It wasn't until AD321 after Christians all ready were a powerful force that the Romans officially accepted the civil day of rest as Sunday - for Sunday was all ready a Roman sacred day, which was for the worshipping of the Sun.......

As for breaking the commandments over and over again - what was that Jesus said?
Get back - "for I have NEVER known you......."

Grace can only carry you for so long.......

Answer 4

God's resting on the seventh day was presented to the Jewish people as a congruent reason for keeping a day of the week holy. But now there was a cogent reason for keeping the Sabbath holy when Christ rose from the dead, which was the apex and the most convincing proof of the divine origin of his messianic mission.

But this event, the resurrection, took place not on the seventh day but on the eighth, that is, the first day of the Jewish week, which corresponds to our Sunday." After the Sabbath, and towards dawn on the first day of the week, Mary of Magdala and the other Mary went to visit the sepulchre." (Matthew 28:1. Cf also Mark 16:1-2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1).

The first day of the week therefore assumed a very special significance for the new dispensation, for the followers of Christ. They saw in the resurrection, greater reason to keep the first day if the week holy than the reason for keeping the seventh day holy. The first day of the Jewish week thus became the new, 'Lord's day' of the Christians. (Apoc. 1:10).

That is why, assemblies were held in the early Church were held on the first day of the week (our Sunday). "On the first day of the week we met to break bread." (Acts 20:7). "Every first day of the week, each of you must put aside what he can afford, so that collections need not be made after I have come." (1 Cor. 16:2).

From those early days the eighth day or first day of the Jewish week (instead of the last) became the Sabbath day, the Lord's day, of the Christians, and that for a reason they looked upon as weighty enough for the change.

God Bless You

Answer 5

All the old commandments expired when Jesus did.

All we were left with in the interim were the two new commandments he gave us: Love God. Love your neighbor.

St. Paul, who was certainly an observant Jew is clear on this matter.

No more law.

Later, after Jesus resurrected, founded, and empowered his church, the church chose to readopt and readapt the old commandments to the realities of the new covenant.

The sabbath observance was officially and authoritively changed to Sunday, the Lord's day, and since Jesus was himself a flesh image of a heavenly thing, and we could now know the previously unknowable God, the language that would prohibit graven images (Christian artwork and statuary) was eliminated.

Those who reject the God given authority of the only church Jesus ever founded, and choose, on their own authority, to mix Judaism with selected portions of true Christianity may end up receiving curses rather than blessings.

To read the authentic and current commandments of the authentic and true Catholic and universal Church, go here:

http://catholicism.about.com/cs/basicbeliefs/a/tencommand04.htm

Beware of false prophets and men with itchy ears!

Answer 6

The Latin calendar starts on Monday and ends on Sunday. Catholicism has Mass on Saturdays. For Western Europeans, Sunday would be the day of rest. I have nothing against halakha but it does not apply to Christians. There are canonical laws to replace it. Some Christians are not bound by religious law.

I find it interesting that Orthodox Jews have arguments about Christians not following their laws in sushi bars. It doesn't bug me, but since Jews are not Christians, I am not certain why they would apply halakha to Christianity.

Answer 7

I used to be a Seventh-day adventist... and what I've found is that your statement only makes a partial amount of sense when taken to the extreme. I was told, in church, that you are not allowed to go shopping, use the phone, spend money, or even listen to rock music on this holy 'sabbath'. I don't mean to be a turd when I say this, but when it's driven to the extreme, you get screwy results. Now, if you're just taking the day off, that's a different story - but I'm going by the odd hypocrisy I witnessed years ago.

What somebody does in their free time is fine by me, just as long as they don't expect me to do the same.

Answer 8

All of the times I've been under Grace, we've definitely been breaking the Law.

Sorry, my last girlfriend had that name, so I got a bit of a kick out of the phrasing.

Anyway, David, this is a good question. One would imagine that if Christ had restored people to a pre-fall spiritual condition, that would include a certain inner harmony with the divine law, right? Jehovah does say that he'll write his law upon people's hearts. *shrug*

All the best,

Lazarus

Answer 9

"sabbath is not sunday" is that wat u say? i dont know exactly but the early disciples of christ observed it on sunday acts 20:7

we are out of law thru grace but it dosent mean we have to break or to be under the law cause the law wasnt meant for us
Old or new testament, which?


1.what was God’s agreement with Israel?
He made a covenant ex.34:27
It was also called the ten commandments ex34:28 deut4:13


Did God intend this covenant for all people of all ages?
No. he promised a new covenant jer 31:31,32
He came to take away the first one which he made to establish the second one heb10:9


Other terms which says first system was set aside
Rom7:4, rom10:4, 2 cor3:13, gal3:25, eph2:14, heb7:12, heb7:18

What agreement has God made with us?
Christ is the mediator of the new covenant heb8:6,9:15
Christ’s death gave it force heb9:16.17, matt 26:28
The apostles were made ministers of it 2 cor3:6

Our lives today are to conform to whose commandments?
Heb1:1,2 1cor9:21 matt28:20

Answer 10

Civil authorities may punish violation of civil law, but there is no such thing as religious law. The commandments are in the bible, which has too many errors (many hundreds, as well as scores of internal contradictions) to be taken as an authority on anything.
Postscript: I have previously addressed numerous questions of yours, and have repeatedly shown that your religious beliefs are total nonsense. When are you going to start applying common sense and logic to deal with the world's realities? Or is it that you are simply incapable of rational thought?