Can a heretic be a valid Pope of the Roman Catholic Church?

Question

Here is why the Pope is a heretic: Pope calls Jesus out of heaven to come down and die so you guys can eat him.

Those fundies said it was just a piece of bread but I will remind you that the species of the bread is transubstantiated into the flesh, guts, toenails, body, soul and divinity of Jesus.

The wine is transubstantiated into the literal blood of Jesus. It's okay to drink blood, forget about Acts 15:20 and Leviticus 7:26-27.

The mass is the sacrifice of Jesus all over again. The Pope, Bishops and the Priest is another Christ and is qualified to sacrifice Jesus.

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Lisa, Try reading your Catechism.

Archilles, Try reading your Catechism.

Sozn, Try reading your Catechism.

Answer 1

It is only Roman Catholics that believe in the "miracle" of transsubstantiation.

We "fundies" do not follow the Pope.
We consider the bread of communion to be a mere symbol of the Body of Christ.

We do not "eat Him."
John 1 calls Jesus the living Word.
Symbolically, we take part in His life by allowing Him to live through us. We celebrate communion regularly because we were encouraged to do so by Jesus.

Answer 2

The Mass is the SAME Sacrifice, not a new one. The Mass is a Time Machine sort of. During the Mass we are transported to Calvary when Jesus was originally Sacrificed. There is a song called "Were You There When They Crucified Our Lord". Well, the Catholics are there at that minute standing beneath the foot of the cross with Mary our Mother. The other denominations look on from a distance (just like the Scripture says of the other disciples besides John.) The Catholic Church is represented by St. John. Even his Gospel is not one of the Synoptic Gospels but, it is richer, deeper, more mysterious. Catholics consume the Body and Blood of Jesus as we are his Bride and the two have become one flesh as the Bible says of marriage. I believe that many people if they understood the Catholic Mass , they would die to be a Catholic. Jesus said "Unless you eat of my flesh and drink of my blood, you have no life in you"

Throughout the Ages God has always had an authority figure act for him except when Jesus himself was on Earth. Didn't God have Moses and the Prophets and then he said to Peter "Thou art Peter, Rock, and upon this Rock I will build my Church AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL OVER HER" I'm afraid this means not even you. The Catholic Church has survived 2,000 years and it will survive many more until the second coming of Christ. Everyone talks about the rapture and being whisked away before the tribulations well, the being caught up in the clouds with the Lord is the Mass. If you really want an eye opening book read Scott Hahns book "The Lambs Supper". He was a Protestant minister trying to prove the Catholic Church wrong and the Truth jumped up and smacked him on the head. He became a Catholic in short order.

Answer 3

Oh GET a grip. You really are reaching. No one EVER said wine was literally, the blood of Jesus. At the last supper, he passed around a cup of wine and said "This is a cup of my blood. Take this and drink from it." He didn't fill the dam thing with REAL blood, nor did he ever intend for humans to eat real flesh. I'm not a fundie, but if you're going to try to argue this logically...use a little logic.

I don't know what YOU read, but if you believe Catholics don't realize that they're not really drinking anyone's blood...or that they truly think that host is the flesh of the savior, you must be reading the fundies guide to Catholicism. They love to twist things around to make themselves feel superior. Just look at that moron Pat Robertson.

Answer 4

That is what you call contempt without prior investigation folks. Here is someone who probably read a Chck tract, and thinks they understand Catholocism.

These people forget the words of Christ who said "This IS my flesh" and "This IS my blood". This part of the new testament they take as figurative. This is why people complain that many Christians pick and choose which they take as metaphor and which they take as parable.

Christ said the words, and people believed it for centuries. There is no "re-crucifiction", but perhaps a recapitulation. Christ said Whoever eats of my body and drinks of my blood. He didn't say "whosoever drinks grape juice that sort of represents the covenant" or "whosoever eats a hunk of bread that you might bake to look like a man-shaped figure".

Whatever. I'm not a Christian anymore anyway, but the bad-mouthing and insults make you all look bad. You take bits of scripture and bad arguments and between you all, you make all of Christendom a laughingstock. You as a group claim this huge body of Christianity that includes some 80-90% of the U.S. population, but then pick arguments like this to count most of you out.

When you wish to look as the largest religion, you're inclusive, but then you have this infighting that excludes most. So, which is it?

Tell the rest of us why we should be Christian, when Christians can't decide among themselves who are really Christians? From the outside, it's impossible to be a Christian because some Christian will come along with an argument just like the one above, to prove to you exactly why your particular denomination ISN'T Christian.

Having belonged to a number of Christian faiths, including Catholic, it's interesting to look at the arguments that show a capricious extraction of scriptural passages that you use to show your position. Never when bashing other denominations do you look at the scripture that the bashed faith bases their positions on. If you do, you dismiss them as allegory.

Such is life though, but it's an interesting fight to watch.

Answer 5

House Speaker, you mention Leviticus 7:26-27, "And wherever you live, you must not eat the blood of any bird or animal. 27 If anyone eats blood, that person must be cut off from his people."

However, you completely IGNORE the verses right next to those ones, namely Leviticus 7:23-24
"23 Say to the Israelites: 'Do not eat any of the fat of cattle, sheep or goats.
24 The fat of an animal found dead or torn by wild animals may be used for any other purpose, but you must not eat it."

Twisting scripture won't get you anywhere.

Answer 6

Ok, why do you blame the pope for this and Leviticus is the JEWS laws, not all of them are for christians. And the Bible never said that was the ACTUAL blood and body of Jesus, most people say its purely symbolic. You seem to have too much time on your hands

Answer 7

well... i have read my catechism - about which sections would you like to read yourself?

yes, we Catholics believe in the power of the Eucharist. as Christ offered Himself in the Todah Sacrafice, so we Worship Him today. we are told werer two or three are gathered in My name, I WILL be there (emphasis mine). He also took bread broke it, took wine and offered it - His Bread and Body - His ultimate sacrafice and concluded each offering with - Do this in Rememberance of Me.

when the priest offers the prayers with the whole of the congregation - Christ IS there, He is present. we do, in rememberance as He taught us and partake, as his disciples did at that great last supper - His Body and Blood AS HE GAVE US. just as at the last supper - it wasn't His actual flesh and blood, He didn't cut off a finger or skin His knee.... unfortunately, there is a mystery that has always and will always surround faith. those with faith can explain examples OF faith - you can touch and feel through love of others, faith - but faith itself is indescribable and untouchable - it IS what it is - faith.

i am sorry you can not understand the graet mystery of faith - the full and whole sacrafice of oneself to God the Almighty.

Answer 8

Why not, the Pope is an elected position anyhow.. It's not like God personally selects the pope. Besides, like most churches, they just make up the rules as they go along and then change them when society doesn't like the old rules anymore.

Answer 9

You speak about "fundies" as if you aren't one.

-Speaking in exagerated absolutes *check*
-Narrow interpertation of scripture *check*
-Some sort of agenda agaisnt Catholicism *check*

Even if this was a joke, it was stupid.

Answer 10

no- a heretic lives for a life of pleasure-that is their religion