Why is it that Christians forgot...?

Question

That Jesus was not God, only his messenger, and that we, like him, are the children of God? Do you think that it is something that is ignored or forgotten? Does it relate to the consolidation of church power?

The reason I ask is because it wasn't until the emporer Constantine decided to convert that Jesus moved from human to diety in order to allow the Roman populace to accept him as their savior seeing as he had to compete with other dieties, not prophets or humans. Diefying him seemed the best option to convert the populace, but somewhere along the line Christians and Catholics forgot that... Just curious...

As for Catholics not preaching Jesus as God and savior, I beg to differ. Having been raised as I remember it, it was still the case there as well.

As for what the Bible says, the bible most of you quote from is post the Protestant reformation, which means it was not the same Bible as used during the times before it which bring more humanity to Jesus, and less diety. I'm at work so I can;t quote sources I don't have hear, but I will get bak to those later in reference to Biblical proof as Jesus as God.

In addition, what makes us less than Jesus? It can't be because Jesus didn't sin, because during his time many of his actions were seen as heresy and sin.

As for Muslims only listening to part of what Jesus said, they consider Jesus a prophet, but Muhammed was THE prophet to end all propheting, and careful measure was taken to dictate each and every word of Muhammed and keep it unadulturated within the Quran. The feel that the Christians and Catholics meddling with their texts and inability to keep records within the same time frame as the occasion allows man to tamper with Gods message, something they do not feel happened in Muhammed's case.

Answer 1

JESUS CHRIST DID NOT SAY, “I AM GOD.”

JESUS SAID, “I AM THE SON OF GOD.”
(John 10:36) (Matthew 27:43)

Through out the History itself proved that Catholic and Orthodox Church preaches unbiblical teachings.

The Catholic and even Orthodox can not produce the passages for their doctrines of Apostolic Succession because none exist.

These False Apostles and Deceitful Workers began incorporating unbiblical beliefs almost immediately after the Apostles passed away.

We are already been warned, "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing".

How can we tell if someone is a wolf or a sheep? Here is one, by thier use and application of the word.

You will not find the terms or words Trinity, Trinitarian or God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost anywhere contained in Holy Scriptures.

In the Original Hebrew and Greek terms like, manifestations, incarnation, offices, self-existent and monad are not contained in Holy Scriptures.

It is written, "...Searched the scripture daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11

Answer 2

I think you have some correctness to your statement. I believe that Christ was the Messenger of God, but I also believe He was the Son of God. I think they are two seperate beings (and I too look to Constantine and the Catholic church at the Council of Nicea for making up/making the Trinity doctrine). The ideas set forth by the Catholic church was essentially the foundation for all (or most) of the protestant churches that followed. Because Jesus was the child of an earthly woman and God He was somewhat different then the rest of mankind, but he was human. He lived a perfect life and did pay the ultimate sacrifice for all of us. God is the ultimate supreme being.

Answer 3

The authors of the N.T., who actually walked with Jesus, lived before Constantine. Jesus said He could forgive sin, that He and the Father were one, that all authority had been given to Him in heaven and earth, that He had the power to lay down His life and the power to take it up again. Constantine did not rewrite the Bible. It was already in there.
Why do Muslims believe only part of what the "prophet" Jesus said, but not everything?

Answer 4

This is beating a dead horse. John 10:30 I and my father are one! Jesus told Thomas If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Jesus was and is God in the flesh. John 1:1 the word is God. Verse 14 the word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Colossians 1:15 Jesus is the image of the invisible God. I Timothy 3:16 God was manifest ( made ) in the flesh. Jesus is God. I should add there is no such thing as the trinity, no three gods, No god the father, no god the son and no god the Holy Ghost. Jesus is the only true God- I John 5:20

Answer 5

As far as I know, that hasn't been forgotten. I'm catholic and the church teaches that Jesus was not a diety, as you say we do, but a human just like us (with the exception of his inability to commit sin.) I don't know where you heard that or why you think that, but it's not true. It's just that Christians are better able to relate to Jesus because he actually lived and isn't abstract like God is. We don't worship him as God, but he is praised for being both God's son and his messenger.

Answer 6

The church always knew Jesus was God. They just decided to make if official at the council in 325, when they solemnly affirmed that Jesus was co-eternal and co-equal with the Father.

And because he is God, it is absolutely impossible for Jesus to commit even the slightest sin.

Constantine had little knowledge of, and no effect at all on church doctrine.

Read the truth about it here, from the man who was an eye witness to all that happened at the time:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/vita-constantine.html

Your position is totally in error. If you were Catholic, you would be a heretic. If not, you're just deluded.

Answer 7

Good argument - people would not have accepted Jesus' teachings as a human. By deifying him his message became more powerful. When it comes to religion people are more willing to accept ideas coming from a deity type person because for most people a deity is someone who knows all and isn't limited like a human being.

Answer 8

i have always felt like this. even as attempting truly troublesome to be commonplace into the christian church for help, community, belonging, even as i change into dealing with some troublesome circumstances, I in uncomplicated words got here across judgment, grievance, and fellow christians were caution me about this individual and that individual, declaring that they weren't "actual" christians. In some communities, exceptionally the bible belt, the position I lived for countless years, I spoke of more effective hate and judgment than ever from christians who were all so truly prideful and egocentric. I carry pricey my own relationship with god and that i think commonplace and loved by potential of the holy potential and experience that grace has been given to me. i do not tell all people i'm a christian and that i do not talk of my beliefs or carry forth, because what I have is so truly own and particular previous words i imagine. yet one element I do trust is that once the bible, forgive me for no longer understanding it so properly presently, reads of the evil ones who pass round posing as sturdy human beings, are Christians. i imagine that the evil that they stay and breathe and spread is truly scary and that i'm grateful that I were given the potential to work out it, so as that I not in any respect change into sufferer of it again.

Answer 9

I think that you are forgetting that Jesus is God, the second person of the Holy Trinity,and was without sin,do you know of anyone else who fits this description?

Answer 10

It's neither ignored nor forgotten. It's not something that appears in the bible, so we don't believe that. Quite the opposite, in John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and the Father are one."