Question about the Crucifiction. If Jesus died for all our sins and the sins of all mankind throughout history

Question

.. and he knew beyond any doubt that he was the Son of God then no one could be surer of the existence of God and Heaven. He states quite clearly that he knew he'd be sitting at right hand side of God before the day was out. So here's the thing.. Was this an awesome sacrafice? Few hours pain he had prepared his whole life for with the surety of ruling in paradise to follow? Given than the Romans crucified nearly everyone they thought gave them any gyp, to die this way wasn't extraordinary in the times. So why does organised religion dwell so much on the viscera and brutality of his death?

I seem to have been hearing a fair bit that he died for us. More specifically me. For sins I hadn't committed but he knew I would. If thats the case then our destinies are surely predetermined. Seems I've spent a great deal of my youth being told that I've sinned when I'm not so sure I have. Kneeling/bowing before plaster cruciform Jesus models, blood-painted and accusatory. The Biblical description of his torture is harsh yeah but there is no doubt in his mind he is going straight to Heaven, lifes work concluded. Are we asked to pity our God? If I go to Hell when I die and am tortured for Eternity for my sins am I not worthy of pity? If we are asked to live like Jesus does this include sacrafice for salvation? Because that kind of idea has been circulating in the modern world of late..

Answer 1

Diamond In The Rough, it was John Wayne said that!
But seriously folks, you must understand that all that stuff about the crucifixion, It's all St Pauls doing. The poor sucker believed it all and worked his a***e off, and created the Christian religion. But for him, Christ would be long forgotten, or perhaps just remembered as another one of the hundreds of Jews who gave the Romans a hard time.
If Jesus died for our sins, then he wasted his time and suffering, because no one is free of sin. Even children (I ask you!) have to be baptised to rid them of the 'Original Sin' of Adam & Eve. If god created Adam & Eve, and then told them not to eat the apples, he must have been pretty damn stupid to not forsee them doing just that! For Christs sake, if he had asked me, I would have gone down the bookies and put £50 to win on Eve taking the first bite! And then we are asked to believe that he stuck that sin on everyone born thereafter. And people are still sinning, and suffering! Gimme a break!

Answer 2

I don't know why most dwell on that. The cross is not where He atoned for our sins. It was the final act, of course, of the atonement, but the real suffering occurred in the Garden of Gethsemane. This is where He took upon himself the suffering and pain of every individual who has, does now, or will live on this earth. The Bible reports that his suffering was so great that is caused Him to sweat great drops of blood. Scientists say that no human could survive such an ordeal would cause the very blood vessels to explode. But being the Son of God that he is, He had the power over life and death and did not die until the atonement was complete.

Just think of all the pain, the suffering, the remorse, and the grief that every soul has ever felt. Consider all of that being dumped upon one person. That is why even Jesus, as He experienced that pain cried to God to take that away if it were possible. But, in total humility and love for use He immediately followed that by saying, "not my will but thine be done."

Then, the real crowning achievement of this whole ordeal was His resurrection. He being the first, returned and showed himself to hundreds to prove that He did indeed return from the grave. Only, now He is immortal and now, having passed through that agony for us, He can stand before God at the judgment day and claim all who believed on Him to do His will and truly repented of the things they did wrong. He, being a perfect man, the only perfect man, was the only one capable of such a sacrifice.

Answer 3

The focus is more on the love it took to give up his place in heaven to come to earth, live a perfect life, then be brutally murdered for blasphemy. The idea is that God could have just let all of mankind be separate from Him for eternity but instead, chose to give us a way out. I do believe that quite often, we as Christians catch ourselves thinking that Jesus was the only person ever crucified, and you are right in saying that it was an extremely common form of Roman execution.
This is where the division occured between the Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodox church. The catholics concentrated very much on Jesus' death, and adorned their places of worship with it in order to be constantly reminded of his sacrifice. The Orthodox church however decided to concentrate on the resurrection. After all, Jesus is alive right? So you will not find crosses or songs about Jesus' blood in the Orthodox church.

Answer 4

I feel I must clear up a misconception that many believers and unbelievers hold, that Jesus died for the sins of all mankind. This is simply not true. He died for all the sins of His people, the elect, the Church, the called out ones. I present the following piece to show the logic of this position:

The 17th Century Puritan, John Owen, wrestled with this very question. According to Owen's reasoning, the answer to that question is that Christ either died for:
(1) all the sins of all men;
(2) all the sins of some men; or
(3) some of the sins of all men.
Again, historic Christianity states that God poured out wrath, due to sinful men and women, on His son. So, Owen concluded that if number 1 were true (Christ died for all the sins of all men), then we have to explain how it is that all men are not free from the punishment due their sin. It's a form of "double jeopardy." Christ died for every man's sin, yet some of those men have to pay yet another, eternal debt for that same sin.
If number 2 is true (Christ died for all the sins of some men), then Christ is the sufficient substitute for all the sins of the elect and there is no injustice involved in judging those who have not been so redeemed.
If number 3 is true (Christ died for some of the sins of all men) then all men have some sins to answer for. Consequently, no one is truly "saved" by Christ's work at Calvary. If anyone were to end up in Heaven, it would be the result of their meritorious effort, essentially finishing what Christ only partially did. Meanwhile, those who are judged are condemned on the basis of those sins for which Christ did not pay.
Now, most modern evangelical churches will say that number one is true: Christ died for all the sins of all men. That being the case, the dividing line between the saved and the unsaved becomes "belief." If one believes on Christ and accepts the gift of salvation offered to them, they will be saved. But, if they choose to reject the offer, they will perish due to their unbelief.
But, that answer is internally inconsistent and creates a terrible theological conundrum. To wit: If Christ paid the sin price for all the sins of all men, then His sacrifice would have to equally cover the sin of unbelief. After all, even the person who eventually believes and is saved had a period of time in his life when he did not believe, which unbelief would be remitted in Christ's atonement. So then, how does this work? Did Jesus die for every sin except unbelief? Well then we're back to the choices above and we must conclude that number 3 is correct: Jesus died for SOME of the sins of all men, but unbelief is the exception.
When I started thinking logically about these matters and considering the consequences of the positions I once held, it became inescapable that the only statement number 2 could be true: Christ died for all the sins of some men. Even if you argue that only those who believe are saved (which I completely agree with), then only the believer has all his sins remitted; while the unbeliever is still responsible for his sin of unbelief. Hence, only some men had ALL their sin expunged, including their unbelief.

Answer 5

Of course we don't want anyone to die and sure people died by Crucifixion a lot, but they pulled out all the stops for Jesus. They did things to him they didn't do to others. As a matter of fact the two people that were next to him didn't have it as bad and they were thieves. Let's put you in the situation for a minute. Let's say from the moment you were born you knew that you could do absolutely nothing wrong. You had to live a life of perfection. You also knew you would be murdered at an early age, by people that you love, but hate you. I think it's pretty extraordinary. Think of the people you dislike the most right now. Now let them kill you. Now, while they're killing you, show them you love them. It's seems pretty hard to me. If you could do that, I would think your pretty special. I don't know why people don't think it's special that Jesus did it. Even as a Christian I wouldn't want to.

Answer 6

The Roman soldiers were extremely brutal with Christ. We believe that He received treatment worse than the normal. He was unrecognizable when removed from the cross. Actually, Christian do not focus on His suffering as much as what it all means to us. The scripture does not tell us much about His suffering. In fact Jesus told the weeping woman to stop crying for Him and weep for themselves. It is like God put a veil over this section of the Bible.

Answer 7

Jesus became a man to be the eternal sacrifice for sin, because no other man was fit for the job.

He didn't need to suffer, only to die, innocently put to death by the forces of evil, in order to secure our redemption, as no one had the authority to take the life of a sinless man, let alone the only begotten son of God.

And how long he suffered, or how long he remained dead was equally irrelevant.

Satan was ultimately responsible for Christ's death. Satan had no authority to have him crucified. Satan was judged for his crime, stripped of all his power and dominion, and left desolate.

Jesus was installed as the new and sinless head of all mankind.

And under this new leadership, God was more than willing to forgive our sins, because Jesus was truly a man, just like us, in all things except sin.

That said, Jesus, who is God, voluntarily spent 33 years on earth, living in one of the true backwaters of civilization, only to be cruelly put to death, so our sins could be forgiven, and we might be saved from hell.

For that, we should all be eternally grateful.

Answer 8

Christianity dwells more on the Resurrected Christ. The crucifixion was prophecied hundreds of years before the Romans invented it. Psalms 22:16-18 "The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me. They pierced My hands and My feet; I can count all My bones. They look and stare at Me. They divide My garments among them, and for My clothing they cast lots." We serve a living Christ, not a dead one.

Answer 9

Christ bore the punishment for all our sins when he had never committed any. The one person in history who was sinless chose to die for our sins and be resurrected in order to give us sinners a way to be reconciled with God. That kind of love certainly deserves to be recognized.

Answer 10

No it doesnt say that. He died for the SIN of the world. The sin of Adam and Eve which caused all the problems. And by receiving Christ as savour we "shall receive remission of sins" Acts10:43.
Trying ti discourage people huh. Glad I caught you