To "messianic jews", how do you reconcile the old and new testament?

Question

Christians believe the new testament supersedes the old testament and Jew believe that the Torah is the absolute Law, wit the rest of the Old Testament describing the history of Judaism after the Israelites cross the jordan river. Judaism believes that the New Testament holds no validity whatsoever. however, since many parts of the New testament contradict the Torah and it's Laws, and if following these Laws is the most important part of Judaism, doesn't this present a paradox if you claim to believe in both the New and Old Testaments and also claim to be some sort of Jewish Christian.

To : G-ds child: that s agood explanation on the Christian point of view of Judaism but it only proves my point. Since Jews obviously cannot share the belief that their brand of religion is inferior to Christianity, how is it possible for a person to claim they fall halfway between Christianity and Judaism?

Answer 1

Messianic Jews come to a different understanding.
New Testament doesn't dismiss the Torah.
Jesus to listen to the teachers and obey the law.
You start really paying attention you come to find out that everything Jesus said can be found in the Old Testament and it boils back to the Torah.
Now the New Testament talks about new converts that they accept Jesus as savior provides their salvation but to grow and learn you have to study the Torah.
I was a babe in Christ and now am I am Messianic Jew.
Those Jews I come across I ask questions to learn more and I have more respect for them and our difference is min.
Jews have be talking for a long long time about what does it mean to be a Jew as well as Christians.
We both worship the same G-d.

I know you are looking to pick a fight between the two but not going to happen to me. We are brothers and sisters. Like all kids we do argue with each other.
That is part of life.

Answer 2

Christians will edit the bible to thier own liking to make the pieces of the puzzle fit, even if it means ignoring the problematic verses that Jesus cannot be the Messiah based on the Jewish Tanack/Torah. its like someone trying to force a jigsaw puzzle into a place where it doesnt belong, as an ex messianic Jew( and an Ex christian) I also have a voice, and a tendency to put in my two cents.

theres a website about what Jews think about christians, ill post as much information as I can find.
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.

2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.

3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.

4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation.


But first, some background: What exactly is the Messiah?

The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word "Mashiach", which means "Anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3)

Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as "an anointed one" (a Mashiach or a Messiah). For example: "God forbid that I [David] should stretch out my hand against the Lord's Messiah [Saul]..." (I Samuel 26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6)

Where does the Jewish concept of Messiah come from? One of the central themes of Biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Isaiah 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Many of these prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

Since every King is a Messiah, by convention, we refer to this future anointed king as The Messiah. The above is the only description in the Bible of a Davidic descendant who is to come in the future. We will recognize the Messiah by seeing who the King of Israel is at the time of complete universal perfection.

1. JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be "The Messiah."

Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

Answer 3

There simply is no place in the Jewish religion for those who become spiritually enlightened to Jesus and the New Testament. I do not want to abandon my Judism and I believe without question in the stories about Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.

Hence I have the right to practice as I see fit. It is surely not intended to deprecate the more traditional Judism. It is sincere and real. Actually almost ALL non-Catholic Christians ((I dont know about Catholics) are accepting of what they call 'Completed Jews'. I am not thrilled with this as it insinuates that 'regular' Jews are incomplete, right?

I also am not thrilled that they refer to the Jewish text as the 'Old Testament'... it seems to discount the bible of the Jews. THEY decide they have a new testament and label the traditional one OLD. You wear a coat, I get a new one and tell you you are wearing an OLD COAT....

Answer 4

The new fulfils the old

We as Christians believe in the same God and the same revelation they do, plus the New Testament. As the Holy Father once pointed out, Christians are all "spiritual Semites" (spiritually united with the Jews and the faith of Abraham). Basically, Christians are what you could call "Messianic Jews", that is, we are "adopted" Jews who believe Jesus was the long awaited Jewish Messiah…the Savior. We have been grafted into the family tree. Of course, our faith has grown considerably from there as well. While we have significant theological differences with traditional Judaism (primarily revolving around Christ), our understanding of morality is of the same basic cloth.

We should never forget our roots. We should never forget that Jesus was a Jew (who attended synagogue), as were his mother and adoptive father, all the apostles and even the first pope (Peter). Almost all of the first "believers" were Jews, and they all attended synagogue as well. While it is true that some Jews called for His execution (particularly those threatened by Jesus as a potential leader who threatened their hold on power) , the Catechism reminds us that every human who has ever lived bears responsibility for his crucifixion. We are all responsible.

As Christians, we believe that, in rejecting Jesus, most of the Jews rejected their own Messiah, as prophecy foretold (Isaiah 53:3-4, Hosea 11:4). As the apostle Paul points out in Romans 11, this is part of a mystery, wherein God used their lack of faith-response in order to bring the Gentiles (non-Jews) into His family. While there continue to be Jews who come to accept Jesus as the Jewish Messiah throughout history, we prayerfully hope for the day when the Jews will most fully come to accept Jesus and be "grafted back into the tree" (which St. Paul also writes about in Romans 11).

Answer 5

Whether Jesus was the Son of God or not, He said "What you bind on Earth is bound in heaven. What you loose on Earth is loosed in heaven." In other words we each set our parameters for our life and we will be judged by those parameters. And all religions have borrowed from other religions. I think even the son of God walking the Earth came from other beliefs evidenced in Greek and Roman writings.
I thought all jews were Messianic. Don't they believe there will one day be a Messiah. Just some of them think it might have been Jesus.
Every religion has outdated laws. They all have their cover stories.
But according to Jesus You only need faith the size of a mustard seed to make it. Maybe when it comes to the concept of God we will all be surprised one day.

Answer 6

Use god's holy bank reconciliation statement.