If I am to believe that this earth and our life forms were created without a designer, then it also seems plausible that an orchestra does not need a composer or a conductor. Right?
2007-01-30 14:54:47 · 8 answers · asked by Jennifer D 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I have read all of the above answers and cannot believe someone could be so ignorant about music, especially the person who claims to play in an orchestra. He, of all people. should know that a complicated piece of music must have a composer, and to play the composition properly, there has to be a good conductor And Gods creation is by far the most beautiful piece of music ever composed. I agree with you 100 %.
2007-01-30 15:23:34 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Not necessarily right. You are comparing composed music to something that doesn't necessarily need a designer.
Jazz music doesn't necessarily need to be composed, nor do orchestras always need a conductor. Improvization is a high art in music, and is not written.
Your argument is trying to prove that something complex cannot happen by chance, and that's simply not the case. Rolling dice can lead to patterns if you analyze the rolls. It's possible, using ten-sided dice to roll long sequences of numbers that may have specific results that represent physical phenomenon. For example, it's possible to roll 141.... to a certain number of digits representing the square root of two, or pi, or e or some other number. Does that mean that a designer decided which number would come up?
Because the odds are against something doesn't mean that it won't happen. A lottery has a multiple-million chance against a ticket holder winning, but someone wins quite often. The odds against life turning up on a single planet are astronomical, however, we have an astronomical number of planets in our universe.
The arguments about a tornado in a junk-yard creating a 747 aircraft are silly. For life, all that's needed is the mechanism to create a single cell. The cell reproduces, and evolution takes over. It's all chemical processes that are self-sustaining. If the mix of chemicals is sufficient, and the nutrients necessary for feeding that cell are present, the cell does all the work.
Knowledge of trees, eyes, ears, brains and such are things that are not necessary in the beginning.
Irreducible complexity is a hypothesis. It is an idea proposed to support the theory of creationsism that has no substance. It's a philosophical argument used to convince people who do not understand the theories of the genesis of life. It sounds good, but has no scientific basis.
Back to music though, the sounds of nature are quite musical. Religious might argue that it is a symphony created by God, but actually, it is quite random. The human mind can find music in these things. Musicians will often play random notes and find within them a theme. Not all music is composed, but often the result of play. In nature though, the songs of birds, the wind rushing over a cut bamboo or the front of a cave all can produce music or notes or tones that people will hear. It doesn't mean that some god orchestrated these sounds.
Nor does a complex work of man prove the existence of God simply because man himself is a complex creature.
2007-01-30 15:19:01 · answer #2 · answered by Deirdre H 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Sure, with enough time and practice, it is very possible for that orchestra to play a beautiful symphony without a composer or conductor. I say beautiful rather than perfect because that more accurately describes our lives.
2007-01-30 15:01:20 · answer #3 · answered by KS 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
This argument is the typical one used by individuals who do not understand cause and effect, or evolution. They base all their conclusions on a very limited body of knowledge, and assume because THEY do not understand, there can't possibly be an answer.
This is more or less the same thing that takes place in infants who cannot comprehend how food simply "appears" when they cry. It's like magic. I cry, mommy brings food. Of course, as they get older and start to LEARN how the world works, how food is grown and raised, they UNDERSTAND that it's not magic. Mommy isn't a god with "powers." Behind mommy, there is actually a whole industry of people responsible for feeding infants.
More often than not, things which seem impossible, are often quite possible, given the illumination of knowledge. If I took my cell phone back in time to biblical days and showed people a downloaded video, no one would think humans could have possibly created such a thing. Does that mean we did not create it? Of course not. And given enough time and teaching, those people could be educated to understand how cell phone video technology works.
Given enough time and teaching, people will learn how the universe works, how life started, and how it became us. The fact that we do not know these things now, does not mean a god is responsible. It just means we are like the infant and the biblical people. All we need is time.
2007-01-30 15:02:51 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
One person picked 6 matching numbers and won the lottery. Was it by Design?
2007-01-30 14:58:57 · answer #5 · answered by Insulting Other Participants 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
You bet they could. If the orchestra were given as much time as "the earth" was given to get it right - they would rock your socks off.
2007-01-30 15:07:30 · answer #6 · answered by Laptop Jesus 2.0 5 · 3⤊ 1⤋
A musical compostion is very different from a body, plant, or region of the world. Also, this may shock you, but you aren't the first, or even 84,001st, to come up with this sort of question.
2007-01-30 15:01:08 · answer #7 · answered by GreenEyedLilo 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
lol im an orchestra player.
when we have concerts, we dont have composers/conductors
2007-01-30 15:00:36 · answer #8 · answered by uhohspaghettiohohs 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋