For Jews Only: What do you think of the Trinity? Does it go along or does it contradict your monotheism?

Question

Were Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel), Moses, David and Solomon trinitarians? Did they believe that in order to be saved, one has had to believe that Yahweh would incarnate Himself in the form a man and shall be crucified? Is there any verse in the Torah that states that God has a son called Yeshua, and that Yeshua is the one who shall judge people at the Day of Judgement?

Is there any mention in the Torah that Yahweh is three in one, or one in three? Is there any mention that the prophets and their faithful followers had this belief and that they preached and debated for it?

Do you believe that the Messiah has to be crucified in order to reconcile people with Yahweh?

Frankly, what do you think about Christian beliefs in that regard? What about your opinion in Paul's total destruction of the teachings of the Torah; such as the permission to raise pigs and eat pork, the un-necessity to be circumcised,...etc?

Answer 1

This issue came up in the Middle Ages. Some of the Xians felt the Jews were calling them polytheists and pagans for worshiping "three gods." Finally they pinned down some of the most respected of Jewish Rabbis and put the question to them. "Do Jews believe Xians are monotheists in that the Trinity is just one God in three different forms?" Imagine the pressure on the Rabbis. If they said the Xians actually were polytheists and pagans, what would happen to the Jews then? It would give the Xians just one more reason to persecute them. So the Rabbis ruled.. the Trinity is one God in three forms. That made the Xians happy and the persecution of the Jews did not increase, at least for that particular reason. (The Xians found other reasons.) Today, about the only Jews who really accept this are the "Jews for Jesus" and Messianic Jews, but why wouldn't they? By accepting Jesus, they became Xians and have to take the Trinity in the package.

Answer 2

Were Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel), Moses, David and Solomon trinitarians? Did they believe that in order to be saved, one has had to believe that Yahweh would incarnate Himself in the form a man and shall be crucified? Is there any verse in the Torah that states that God has a son called Yeshua, and that Yeshua is the one who shall judge people at the Day of Judgement?
No....No....NO

Is there any mention in the Torah that Yahweh is three in one, or one in three? Is there any mention that the prophets and their faithful followers had this belief and that they preached and debated for it?
No and No

Do you believe that the Messiah has to be crucified in order to reconcile people with Yahweh?

No......LOL....where did you ever come up with this?


Frankly, what do you think about Christian beliefs in that regard?

Well, you are entitled to your beliefs....we just wish you would follow our jewish example and stop pushing this on people who could not care less about adopting your religion !


What about your opinion in Paul's total destruction of the teachings of the Torah; such as the permission to raise pigs and eat pork, the un-necessity to be circumcised,...etc?

Generally speaking.....most jews have no interest in this at all. Paul is entitled to say what he pleases and we are entitled to believe our own religous traditions. Again..please follow the Jewish tradition here....we are not running around denouncing Jesus or Allah or Buddah or Shinto traditions. Live and let live brother....celebrate your religion as you please.....just leave others the heck alone already....we do not believe as you do and never, ever, ever, ever will. Believe me....this is absolutely true regardless of how often fellow christians/busy bodies edxpect that we shall. Spread the word....leave others alone to believe as they will and stop trying to save others....it is rather annoying and arrogant behavior.

Answer 3

The short answer is that the concept of the trinity has no basis in the Hebrew Scripture and is a totally alien concept to Judaism. None of the patriarchs or prophets were trinitarians, nor is there any mention or discussion of any such concept in the Torah, Prophets or Writings.

The concept that the Messiah will have to die to effect atonement or reconciation with God in anyway is also contrary to the Hebrew Scriptures.

As for Christian beliefs, they are just fine for Christians, I suppose...just not for Jews. As for Paul, he did, at the same time, provide both the one of the greatest services and greatest disservices to mankind. Through Paul, billions of pagans or would-be pagans have come closer to an understanding of the one true God, trinitarianism aside...and a great service to mankind. The disservice is, in his zeal to sell his new religion, Paul ignited nearly 2000 years of Christian anti-semitism...a stain on Christianity and untold damage to Jews and others.

Answer 4

I'm a Muslims but I've read the bible

Non of the prophet in OT or even NT said anything abut trinity or God being 3 persons.


The New Catholic Encyclopedia makes a similar statement regarding the origin of the Trinity:

“There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma ‘one God in three Persons’ became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought. . . .

“The formula itself does not reflect the immediate consciousness of the period of origins; it was the product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development.”

Answer 5

previous is break free the destiny--destiny is break free the present--yet present day, previous and destiny are all 3 time. There are 3 factors to a triangle--yet as an entire its nonetheless one triangle. you have a physique, a soul and a spirit--yet you're one individual. issues on the instant are considered threw a dim glass in spite of the undeniable fact that, at some point you will bypass into eternity and notice a lot needless to say those style of issues. in the initiating God mentioned "enable us to create guy in OUR photograph"--who grew to become into God speaking too? might desire to have been somebody there that grew to become into like God--or in the comparable photograph of God--Paul says approximately Jesus "each and every thing grew to become into created by using him"--explaining that Jesus grew to become into there in the initiating with God. additionally the holy spirit hovered over the waters and so we now understand there are 3 areas of God who created the international you notice on the instant. thank you,

Answer 6

The Jews that I know pay little (or no) attention to any Christian belief except perhaps Christmas. These things you list make about as much sense to them as Muslim beliefs make to me. There's no motivation for them to be obsessed with them or find interest.

Answer 7

the jews don't believe in the trinity nor do they accept christ as their savior or messiah and yes that goes against their monotheistic views anyway here's a link


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism

Answer 8

Genesis 1: 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness

Not Jewish but sounds like more than one

Answer 9

It goes along

Father,Son(Jesus),Holy Spirit;they're jut three parts of the same God.