Okay, so Jesus dies so that we could go to Heaven? If he never died, like never came to earth then what? Everyone would go to hell? Was all of us going to hell after we die part of god's original plan? He knew we would sin, he is supposed to know everything right? And also, making eve wasn't part of the original plan either. The only reason she "existed" was because adam got tired of his hand. So if adam never got lonely, how was man supposed to procreate? Where was the intelligence in that design?
2007-01-29 08:12:26 · 18 answers · asked by Autumn 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
God knew we would need salvation? Then why didn't he remake us so that we wouldn't sin? And what the heck took him so long to send jesus if he knew we would sin? I mean Jesus came a really long time after adam and eve did.
2007-01-29 08:18:21 · update #1
Yeah but we're "saved" from a place that HE himself created! If we have to get saved from hell, then that means going to hell is the original plan.
2007-01-29 08:19:34 · update #2
Good question the answer is in his word. If you read the first book of the Bible you will learn the answers to most all of the questions you have. First God had a plan before he made the world. God could have created the pefect man robot who was not a free will creature and did not sin...surely this is possible for God. If man had been perfect he would have been in total agreement with God as God is perfect. so this perfect men would have worshiped God because he was perfect in affect not becasue he chose to worship God but he was perfect it is not a choice is it? I believe it is God's plan to have this same perfect creature but brought forth in the way that God has chosen to make him. The man we are is by nature sinful and God knew our nature before he made man. God also had a plan of salvation before he made man. Let's start with the creation of man He createdman in his Image, this being different from the animals in that man had a spirit. This could get long and off the topic as thisimage is the image of God who is triune...WE will continue on to the Garden...God placed Adam in the Garden and warned him not to eat of the treen of knowledge that day he would surely die....Satan comes and tells the first lie that man will not surely die...This lie is still promoted by some religions today..the fact is Adam did eat fot his tree and did die as he is no longer wiht us this fact is obvious....It should be understood that Satan's lie that man would not die was exactly that and any religion that teachs otherwise is in agreement woith Satan...now through this act of disobedience man was no longer righteous and was seperated form a righteous God as righteousness is seperate from sin. Think about that there is no way to mix righteousness with sin...some thing is either totaly righteous or it is not righteous...there is no inbetween. This sin caused a seperation and as I said God foreknew this and had a plan it was not his plan to call that which is not rihgteous rightoeus or that which is unclean clean...The gap between man and God had to be bridged and this bridge was not to bring God to us in our unroighteousness but to being us to God in his righteousness...First we must understand that Satan is a liar and he did lie the wages of sin is death...Second we should know it is not God's will that his creation should perish and we should also understand God is righteous and the price must be paid...the bridge is Jesus Christ...God comes to the world to pay the penalty of death for us...Jesus paid the peanlty of death for us to bring us to God's righteousness. Jesus sacrificed his flesh to pay the penalty of death for you.
Edit we are saved from hell. And hell is a creation of God as you say but hell in fact is the grave...We are saved from the death we inherited through sin...hell is not the lake of fire which I think you refer to but actualy at a later time hell is cast into the lake of fire...To go into this entire discussion would be like writing the Bible the truth is available and is in his word. If you ahve any question feel free to e-mail me or message me.
2007-01-29 08:38:58 · answer #1 · answered by djmantx 7 · 6⤊ 0⤋
Free will is the reason for sin and all other problems. God didn't want people to HAVE to love Him. We would be like robots. He gives us the choice to accept or reject Him.
"And also, making eve wasn't part of the original plan either"
What do mean by original plan. He created Eve in the same day that He created Adam.
2007-01-29 16:43:52 · answer #2 · answered by to be announced 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I am not sure what else to say about your question except to refer you to Genesis.
Adam and Eve ate of the tree at the prompting of Satan. Before that, they had a moral conformity and communion with God. They could FREELY CHOOSE to OBEY or DISOBEY. They FREELY chose to disobey. Two things happened after that. God was BOUND by his own law to punish man for breaking the law AND SATAN was in the world, played a part in this "crime".
God made a promise that since Eve sinned first, that redemption would come from the women and her child (the child of a woman) would punish Satan for what he did that day. Imagine if I paid you 10 trillion dollars to kill someone. In the eyes of the law, I am guilty, and according to the law I would receive punishment. So, the plan was to redeem Adam and Eve through their offspring and destroy Satan and all the other things that entered into the world through Sin.
I do not know why everyone focuses on God’s foreknowledge… I mean, he clearly told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree and they had a choice to freely do it or not to do it. If they didn’t do it, then they wouldn’t have had a problem. They did do it and the contingency plan / punishment for breaking the law is / was death.
God, in his mercy, didn’t kill them right away SO THAT they could have children and the redemption could come through Christ.
Regarding the sex questions that you asked... I am not sure why the focus on sex. Gensis is pretty clear in the recounting of the events. Adam was "lonely" but I am not sure that says it all. He wasn't happy. The garden was supposed to be a happy place, so God created Eve for Adam, but I don't really think we understand exactly what that might have meant. For instance, Adam could have been A sexual and then God created Eve (female) and in doing that made Adam (male) at that time...
Anyway, read it and think about it. The design is pretty complete and intelligent. Just don't focus on the mysteries. The Bible clearly states that there are mysteries that we do not know the answer to, it wasn't pertinent for us to know.
2007-01-29 16:39:47 · answer #3 · answered by TK421 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It's all about timing. Jesus had to come to sort out our rebellion-against-God problem, but God left it a while so that people would have realised that they couldn't sort out their rebellion-against-God problem by themselves. God used the Jewish people to demonstrate this - the Old Testament is one big saga of them messing up and God sorting them out a bit, then them messing up. The point God was making was: you need Jesus to sort out the mess once and for all. People who lived and died Jesus could get to heaven through his death and stuff, even though chronologically it hadn't happened by then, if they believed in God. There's no evidence to say that Eve wasn't in the original plan. God just made Adam first, then pointed out to him that he'd work better with a partner.
2007-01-29 16:24:30 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
before Jesus they had Gods word. They could either live by it as some did but the majority did not. i suppose when he created the earth God was doing this for the first time. We cant blame God if man chooses to ignore his word. good question though that got me for a second.
2007-01-29 16:22:43 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Does God has a daughter too?
btw Jesus didn't really die. He just left the room.
Not everyone is going hell. a lot of people in the world don't believe in hell.
male seahorse can turn into female and procreate that way. maybe that's the original design for man.
2007-01-29 16:25:02 · answer #6 · answered by ? 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Christ attoned for sins, but his main goal wasn't death, it was resurrection. We will all die, we will all sin. That's a part of life, but through his attonement we can repent of our sins and be forgiven and it will be as if it never happened. Christ also was the one who brought about resurrection. Since we all die, God created a way, through him, for us all to live again.
As far as Adam and Eve go. God planned on creating Eve. He used creation as a way to teach Christ how to create and how to form not only the earth, but everything. Adam was made first, because he is male, and it's easier to form male then female. Then God asked Christ if it was good for man to be alone. Christ answered that it was not, so God created Eve, using a rib taken from Adam. She was created to be his help-mate. It wasn't only for procreation. And I don't think Adam thought about what you suggested.
2007-01-29 16:24:20 · answer #7 · answered by odd duck 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
okay... so I believe that God knew everything that was going to happen in our life. He also wanted to give us the freedom and option to choose what we want out of life. God gave us a chose to follow or not and he is knocking at your door if you are not following him and if you have not been baptized after believing in him, not as a an infant. God wants to see all of his children in Heaven one day... he loves us all..
2007-01-29 16:34:02 · answer #8 · answered by takritz316 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
tsk tsk! you're thinking too much, asking too many questions. in order for Christianity to make any sense you must disengage your logical mind or how else can you believe that a perfect Supreme Being creates imperfectly and then requires a human blood sacrifice in order to forgive his creations for being imperfect?
AND creates an eternal torture chamber knowing in advance of creating souls which ones he'll be tossing in there to be in agony forever.
none of it will make sense if you really think about it so stop. **wink**
2007-01-29 16:32:49 · answer #9 · answered by nebtet 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
the original sin was SEX. Adam and eve were tempted and gave in. God knew we would screw up, in the end all of creation will know that GOd's way is the right way to live. It is all for his glory. God has done so much to ensure our salvation, all we need to is believe iN Jesus Christ..
2007-01-29 16:17:17 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 4⤋