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Suppose at the time of confirmation I don't want to be confirmed.Does this mean I will be saved anyway because I was baptized as an infant ? Or does it mean that my baptizim as an infant was a hoax and of the doctrines of man?
No where in the Bible does it suggest that an infant is to be baptized at all.
Cornelius:"feared God with all his house" Acts 10:2 a infant can't fear God.
The Jailer:"And thy spake unto him the word of the Lord,and to all that were in his house" Acts 16:32. You can't speak the word of God to an infant.
Requirement:"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;but he that believeth not shall be damned"Mark 16:16.A infant can't believe so therefore it is a sin to baptize an infant.
Requiement:Peter said "Repent and be Baptized"Acts2:38 A infant can't repent.
Requirement:Phillip when asked by the Eunuch what keeps me from being baptized.Phillip replied"If thou believest with all thine heart,thou mayest.Acts8:36-37.A infant can't do this.
Please use Bible

2007-01-29 06:52:54 · 8 answers · asked by don_steele54 6 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Where is the scripture for this PLEASE????

2007-01-29 08:12:48 · update #1

Meg Michaels,no were in your scriptures does it talk of baptizing an infant.You might want to look them over again.Those that recieved the Holy Ghost had not yet heard of Jesus.

2007-01-29 08:19:23 · update #2

sansfear,I worship on Sunday because that is the day my Lord reserected.It is also the day that the Holy Ghost was poured out on Penticost.Penticost means 7 sabaths + 1 equaling 50 which equals Sunday being the day of Penticost.It is also the day that the Lord revealed Himself to the Apostles John 20:19.It is also the day that His Aposles chose to have communion Acts 20:7.John was in the Spirit on the " Lord's day " when he wrote Revelations,Rev.1:10.Christians at that time had seperated themselves from the law and receieved the new covenant in Christ.Now go and have a pork chop on me and stop with all your legalization and man made doctrines.

2007-01-29 08:37:17 · update #3

Kj7gs,Mark 16:16 would forbid infant baptizim.You never used one scripture in all that you said.Jesus took away original sin John testifying "Behold the Lamb of God,which taketh away the sin of the world" John 1:29b.The sin of the world was original sin.Water (will not take away SIN.)

2007-01-29 08:45:16 · update #4

Kj7gs you still don't have any scripture do you?This only CONFIRMS that this is a man made doctrine and not of God.

2007-01-29 15:59:31 · update #5

Did you all get confirmation and not know why you were doing it ? Can't one person provide me with scripture on confirmation ?

2007-01-30 19:19:00 · update #6

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You are absolutely right, it is a man made doctrine. For one to be saved they must confess with their mouth and believe in their heart. In order for water baptism to mean anything to you, you must first understand why you're being baptized...If you don't understand why then you would just go through the motions with Baptism not meaning anything.

2007-01-29 07:08:47 · answer #1 · answered by unknown 4 · 1 0

The doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church states that baptism removes original sin. However, at the age of reason, Confirmation is a profession of faith for full membership in the bride of Christ. If you do not profess the church's beliefs to be true, you're not a member, and you forfeit the blessings of that church.

Now some refutations on your assumptions about infant baptism:

- you are correct that nowhere in the Bible does it suggest that an infant is to be baptized. However, there is also no verse prohibiting infant baptism. Paul never corrected the Jews that would have understood the new circumcision of baptism to have included infants just like what had been done in the Old Testament under a God's covenant with his people.

- You have to remember that the culture in biblical times was not the same as today's culture. Entire households being baptized did not involve any age requirements, and of course were not mentioned because the head of the household dictated how the affairs of that house would be conducted, i.e. in a Christian manner, meaning women, infants, and servants within that household. Whether infants were able to believe or hear would be completely irrelevant.

- The "repent and be baptized" verses did involve adult believers -- who would have had their entire households baptized (see above) if they were in charge of them.

- Your "proof texts" do not explain any difference between baptism and the circumcision that it replaced from the Old Testament. If you look closely, there are just too many parallels between the two to just brush one off as no longer having any value. Why would circumcision and God's covenant with his own suddenly disappear? The answer is that it did not, same meaning for us as it had for the Israelites, still God's covenant with his own, just a different administration for Christians -- and their children.


Answer to your rebuttal:

Don S, in the interest of brevity I didn't include any verses as I thought you would be familiar enough with them that they wouldn't need mentioning -- as I am also familiar with the verses you are quoting.

You and I will never agree on the proper mode and administration of baptism. You look at baptism as a public profession of personal faith in Jesus, I look at baptism as a continuation of the covenant of circumcision. I won't quote verses that won't convince you anyway, because the parallel must be evident to you before we begin. However I will refer you to the apologetics section of www.reformed.org if you want to take a closer look at paedobaptism. See you (and your kid) at the font!

Rebuttal #2: I believe I did give you a number of biblical references, but if you refused to go to the link I provided, I'll leave you to your own "proof" as to my percieved incompetence.

In the interest of collegiality though, I'll spell it out for you this time, http://www.reformed.org/sacramentology/index.html
and go to Chapter XXVIII, Baptism. Each one of the links within that explanation refers to numerous verses that support Paedobaptism. And that's about all the effort I'm going to put into this.

Confirmation issue: Not can't -- won't. If Baptism wasn't worth it, Confirmation won't be worth it.

2007-01-29 15:36:33 · answer #2 · answered by ccrider 7 · 0 1

confirmation was created by man as a means of bringing a youth into adult spiritual maturity...it is just a ceremony and not at all required for salvation. Jesus was baptized and afterwards the spirit of God descended upon him (like a dove), look in early Matthew and Mark. Although I am not sure this is why we do it. It is a personal and public ceremony that proclaims your faith. It is not at all required for salvation...I personally don't feel it is that important b/c Jesus will baptize me with fire (that is also somewhere in Matthew, John the Baptist says it)...Baptizing a baby is more of a public commitment ceremony for the parents to confirm their desire to raise a Godly and spiritual child...

2007-01-29 15:02:44 · answer #3 · answered by chavito 5 · 0 1

You are a Christian trapped inside the Catholic organization and you are exactly right in thinking this way. I was confirmed as a child and I will never forget the experience because I said to myself how can 4 Our Fathers and 5 Hail Mary's take away all of the sins of my life from 0-12 years old and I was not buying this at all. But these are not Bible things at all and they are traditions of men and religions. Baby baptism is actually an act of the parents to promise to raise the child in the church and to teach the child the fear of God. Confirmation is the act of you becoming an adult, or coming to age of accountability in the eyes of God, or being your own person not under the care of parents any more but again simply put they are traditions of men not the Bible.
What you have close to these things in the Bible was Jesus at 8 days old being circumcised, and at 12 years old speaking to the wise men inside the temple. This and the fact Jews have a coming of age ceremony at 12 years old.

2007-01-29 14:55:33 · answer #4 · answered by sirromo4u 4 · 1 2

Confirmation is a Sacrament through which we receive the Holy Spirit to make us strong Christian soldiers of Jesus Christ.
Confirmation brings an increase in the grace given at Baptism. It makes an indelible spiritual mark, which is characterized by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Confirmation also strengthens the Christian so he or she can profess their faith openly.

Confirmation makes someone a full member of the Catholic Church

God Bless You

2007-01-29 15:01:14 · answer #5 · answered by ? 6 · 0 1

These are the types of questions that make me love Christianity, if asked purely out of curiosity, then I apologize, but aren't you really a Protestant, trying to take out a Catholic belief using the bible?

Confirmation is a Catholic ritual dictated by the Church that helps parents feel good about the afterlife for their Children. Nothing wrong with that.

A good question for you might be, why do you go to church on Sunday instead of Saturdays. Jesus rested on Saturdays, just as the Jews do to this day. But most Christian/Catholics spend Sundays, as their Sabbath.

In reality Augustine changed the traditional day of rest from Saturday to Sunday because it fit in with other pagan holidays of the time period. The excuse that Christ was raised on a Sunday was used as justification, but there is nothing in the Bible that confirms this change, it is a Catholic change, and ritual that most Christians observe today.

I wouldn't get too excited about using the Bible to question other denominations, especially when most rituals Christians observe, are nothing like they appear in the bible.

2007-01-29 15:04:32 · answer #6 · answered by ɹɐǝɟsuɐs Blessed Cheese Maker 7 · 0 2

Acts 8:14-17 - the people of Samaria were baptized in Christ, but did not receive the fullness of the Spirit until they were confirmed by the elders. Confirmation is a sacrament that Jesus Christ instituted within His Catholic Church to further strengthen those who have reached adulthood.

Acts 19:5-6 - the people of Ephesus were baptized in Christ, but Paul laid hands on them to seal them with the Holy Spirit. This sealing refers to the sacrament of confirmation.

Eph. 1:13 - Paul writes that the baptized Ephesians were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, in reference to confirmation.

Eph. 4:30 - Paul says the Ephesians were sealed in the Holy Spirit of God, in reference to the sealing of confirmation.

Heb. 6:2 - Paul gives instruction to the Hebrews about the laying on of hands, in reference to confirmation, not ordination. The early Church laid hands upon the confirmand to administer the sacrament of confirmation.

Heb. 6:2 - this verse also refers to the cycle of life and its relationship to the sacraments - baptism, confirmation, death and judgment - which apply to all people.

John 6:27 - Jesus says the Father has set His seal on Him. As the Father sets His seal on Jesus, so Jesus sets His seal on us on the sacrament of baptism, and later, in the sacrament of confirmation.

Rev. 9:4 - the locusts could not harm those with the seal of God upon their foreheads. See also Rev. 14:1 and 22:4.

2007-01-29 15:03:02 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Confirmation is not in the Holy Bible... it's a Catholic establishment thing. Not Christian.

2007-01-29 14:56:26 · answer #8 · answered by barefoot_always 5 · 1 0

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