Either we have freewill or we don't, right?

Question

In response to my question:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070129105019AAzbrT2&r=w

Many of you said or I infered from what you said that the Holy Spirit took away the scribes' freewill when they were writing the bible.

The horrible suffering in the world is explained by Christians as being caused by our freewill to do sin.

Christians generally say that God would never take away our freewill, that's why babies get killed and children raped, etc.

If you are right, and God as the Holy Spirit took away the scribes' freewill, than He does take away freewill sometimes for a good cause. So why are babies getting killed and children raped?

If we do have freewill,and the biblical scribes had freewill, how do we know they didn't alter the word of God? Other than them saying so?

Sorry Mufasa, that's way too long. Can't you paraphrase?

Answer 1

God has not and never will remove any-ones free will. 2Timothy 3:16 tells us that "all scripture" was "inspired" by God. In simple terms that means that He guided these men to write His thoughts. He affected or stimulated them to record what needed to be written. At no time where they like a robot or controlled in such a way that they couldn't write what they chose. This is clearly evident by looking at the different accounts of the same event from different Bible writers. They tell the same story including or leaving out details that the other writers didn't use. There is a much bigger reason why the things you list are happening. Here is a little more information that may help you understand.

Why Does God Let Us Suffer?

“God is up in heaven where everything is pleasant, while we are down here suffering.”—Mary.*

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TODAY'S young people have been born into a cruel world. Tragic earthquakes and natural disasters that snuff out the lives of thousands seem to be commonplace. Wars and terrorist attacks dominate the news. Sickness, disease, crime, and accidents rob us of loved ones. For Mary, quoted above, evil hit close to home. Her bitter words were uttered after the death of her father.

When tragedy touches us personally, it is only human to feel frustration, loss, or even anger. 'Why did this have to happen?' you may wonder. 'Why me?' or 'Why now?' Such questions deserve satisfying answers. But to get the right answers, we must go to the right source. Granted, as a youth named Turrell observed, sometimes people are "hurting too much to think things through." So you may need to find a way to calm your emotions a bit so that you can think—logically and rationally.

Facing Unpleasant Realities
It may be unpleasant to contemplate, but death and suffering are facts of life. Job put it well when he said: "Man, born of woman, is short-lived and glutted with agitation."—Job 14:1.

The Bible promises a new world in which "righteousness is to dwell." (2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:3, 4) Before those ideal conditions are realized, however, mankind must go through a time of unprecedented wickedness. "Know this," says the Bible, "in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here."—2 Timothy 3:1.

How long will these difficult times last? Jesus' disciples asked more or less the same question. But Jesus did not give them a specific day or hour when this misery-stricken system of things would end. Instead, Jesus said: "He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved." (Matthew 24:3, 13) Jesus' words encourage us to take a long-range view. We must be prepared to endure many unpleasant situations before the end finally comes.

Is God to Blame?
Does it makes sense, then, to be angry with God because he permits suffering? Not when you consider that God has promised to end all suffering. Nor does it make sense to feel that God causes bad things to happen. Many tragic happenings are simply the result of random events. Imagine, for example, that the wind blows a tree down and it injures someone. People may call this an act of God. But God did not make that tree fall down. The Bible helps us to appreciate that such things are simply the sad result of "time and unforeseen occurrence."—Ecclesiastes 9:11.

Suffering may also stem from poor judgment. Suppose a group of youths indulge in alcoholic beverages and then go for a drive. A serious accident results. Who is to blame? God? No, they have reaped the consequences of their poor judgment.—Galatians 6:7.

'But isn't God powerful enough to end suffering now?' you may ask. Some faithful men in Bible times wondered about that. The prophet Habakkuk asked God: "Why is it that you look on those dealing treacherously, that you keep silent when someone wicked swallows up someone more righteous than he is?" However, Habakkuk did not jump to hasty conclusions. He said: "I shall keep watch, to see what he will speak by me." Later, God assured him that at an "appointed time," He would end suffering. (Habakkuk 1:13; 2:1-3) We must therefore be patient, waiting for God to end wickedness at his appointed time.

Avoid jumping to the rash conclusion that God somehow wants us to suffer or that he is personally testing us. It is true that suffering can bring out the best in us and that the Bible says that the trials God allows can refine our faith. (Hebrews 5:8; 1 Peter 1:7) Indeed, many people who undergo trialsome or traumatic experiences do become more patient or compassionate. But we should not conclude that their suffering was God's doing. Such thinking does not take God's love and wisdom into account. The Bible plainly states: "When under trial, let no one say: 'I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone." On the contrary, from God comes "every good gift and every perfect present"!—James 1:13, 17.

Why God Permits Evil
From where, then, does evil come? Remember that God has opposers—principally the "one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth." (Revelation 12:9) God placed our first parents, Adam and Eve, in a trouble-free world. But Satan convinced Eve that she would be better off without God's rulership. (Genesis 3:1-5) Sadly, Eve believed Satan's lies and disobeyed God. Adam joined her in this rebellion. The result? "Death spread to all men," says the Bible.—Romans 5:12.

Rather than immediately squashing this rebellion by destroying Satan and his followers, God saw fit to allow time to pass. What would that accomplish? For one thing, it would allow Satan to be exposed as a liar! It would allow proof to accumulate that independence from God brings nothing but ruin. Is that not exactly what has taken place? "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." (1 John 5:19) Furthermore, "man has dominated man to his injury." (Ecclesiastes 8:9) Mankind's religions are a maze of conflicting teachings. Morals have fallen to an all-time low. Human governments have tried every conceivable form of rule. They sign treaties and adopt laws, but the needs of the common people are still unfulfilled. Wars add misery on misery.

Clearly, we need to have God intervene and end wickedness! But this will happen only in God's due time. Until then, it is our privilege to support God's rulership by obeying his laws and principles as found in the Bible. When bad things happen, we can take comfort in the confident hope of life in a trouble-free world.

Not Alone
Still, when suffering touches us personally, we may find ourselves asking, 'Why me?' The apostle Paul reminds us, however, that we are not alone in suffering evil. Paul says that "all creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together until now." (Romans 8:22) Knowing this fact can help you to cope with suffering. Nicole, for example, was emotionally traumatized by the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, in New York City and Washington, D.C. "I was horrified and scared," she admits. But as she read accounts of how her fellow Christians coped with that tragedy, her viewpoint changed.# "I realized that I'm not alone at all. Slowly I've begun to recover from my pain and grief."


It may be helpful to express your grief
In some cases, it is wise to seek out someone you can talk to—a parent, a mature friend, or a Christian elder. Pouring out your feelings to someone you trust will allow you to receive a "good word" of encouragement. (Proverbs 12:25) A young Brazilian Christian recalls: "I lost my father nine years ago, and I know that Jehovah will resurrect him one day. But something that helped me was putting my feelings in writing. Also, I talked things out with my Christian friends." Do you have any 'true companions' in whom you can confide? (Proverbs 17:17) Then benefit from their loving help! Don't be afraid to cry or express your emotions. Why, even Jesus once "gave way to tears" over the tragic loss of a friend!—John 11:35.

The Bible assures us that one day we will be "set free from enslavement to corruption" and enjoy "the glorious freedom of the children of God." (Romans 8:21) Until then, many good people may suffer. Take comfort in knowing why such suffering takes place—and that it will not last long.

Answer 2

The Bible writers were indeed inspired by God to write what they did. But their free will was not taken away. There are instances in the scriptures where the Bible writers inserted their own thought or feeling into the text. Ex: 1 Thessalonians 5:28: "The undeserved kindess of our Lord be with you." This was not something from God. It was Paul wishing the congregation in Thesalonica well.

All humans, past and present, have free will. God will never take that away. And he didn't with the scribes either. Good and bad things happen to people because of the way the world is. It is not a matter of God taking away free will.

Answer 3

It would have been there "freewill" to let God use them to wright his word down...(not like a robot) What do you think that they would have said...no ?

People have to know that this world is not controlled by God..
1John 5:19 "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"

God is not to blame. He gave mankind a perfect start but humans have chosen to ignore Gods requirement's and decide for themselves what is good and what is bad. If god was to help any one now he would only be making man think that they could do it with out him...I do no that it is very hard to watch what is going on in the world. But he will put an end to it..He assures us that he has a set time when he will call the wicked to account.(Heb.2:3)

Answer 4

It is silly to think that the writers of the Bible did not have free will. Of course they did. Sadly, some people are misleading regarding this issue. Certain fundamentalist have to make up all kinds of messy contradictions to prove their point. A far more reasonable interpretation of the Bible is made by conservative theologians. They believe the Bible contains all the information (spiritual) you need to be saved. They make no claims that the Bible gives perfect history, science, or anything else. When understood in this way, the spiritual message of the Bible is rich and meaningful without having to defend everything ever written.

Answer 5

Godless people kill and rape babies. Well, false religion which is majority of religions do too. Example the catholic and protestant nazis raping and killing russian children and the communist godless russian raped and killed the young german girls back.

As far as the scribes, the writings were inspired by God, not that they took their freewill. When you look at Luke, he is a physician and he wrote like a doctor when it came to describing diseases.

Answer 6

By 'Christian' do you include me? Because I don't remember saying that about the scribes. If you quote the Bible I may a better clue how to answer.

Answer 7

I'm in charge of my own destiny. I cannot speak for others. Those who wrote the Bible were writing down ancient spoken legends and myths. They were merely writing down that which already existed. If that isn't exercising free will, what is? I am freely answering your question - or am I?

Answer 8

Right

Answer 9

1 Corinthians 10:23

The Believer's Freedom
23"Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive.

God didn't make robots... sadly, evil has spread, but evil Born's in men's heart!

Answer 10

atheists have free will christians do not have free will because the church tells them how to think