First cause?

Question

All theories of the beginning of time, whether they involve God or a singularity, have a problem. What was the first cause? If you're a big bang person, its where the singularity came from. If you are religious, its where god came from. Is it logical to say that gods and singularities are outside time and don't need a first cause? Or does something always have to be caused by another thing? If so, what was it?

Just my thoughts.

I know there are no answers to this question, but its fun to ask anyway.

And Darth Maul, how can that be? What if I said the singularity was a causeless cause too?

Answer 1

The only reaonable answer, there is no first cause. There is just an eternal cycle. Doesnt make much sense to us now becuase we still think in linear time

Answer 2

It's not a problem with the concept of God, because the very concept itself is of a Causeless Cause, not merely a First Cause. God is beyond time, which is itself contingent.

All contingent things have to have a cause, and the ultimate cause must itself be an uncontingent being, a Causeless Cause.

BTW, the causeless cause must be non-contingent, unchanging, eternal. The singularity pertains to the contingent, limited physical world. Something does not suddenly appear from nowhere. Either the singularity is an eternal thing that has always existed and always will, or it is caused by something which is. Since we know the singularity has ceased to exist, it must be caused by something else.

Answer 3

People usually demand a beginning, so in the beginning there was a sea of spirit and it filled all of space. The spirit was static, content, and aware of itself. It was a giant resting on the bosom of its thought and contemplating what it is. Then the spirit moved into action. It withdrew into itself until all of space was empty. In the center, the restless mind of the spirit shone. This was the beginning of the individuality of the spirit. This was what the spirit discovered itself to be when it awakened. This spirit was God. God desired self-expression and desired companionship; therefore, God projected the cosmos and souls. The cosmos was built with music, arithmetic, geometry, harmony, system, and balance. The building blocks were all of the same material - the life essence. It was the power of God that changed the length of its wave and the rate of its vibration which created the patterns for multitudes of forms. This action resulted in the law of diversity which supplied endless patterns. God played on this law of diversity as a pianist plays on a piano - producing melodies and arranging them in a symphony. Each design carried within it the plan for its evolution. This plan corresponds to the sound of a note struck on a piano. The sounds of several notes unite to make a chord; chords in turn become phrases; phrases become melodies; melodies intermingle and move back and forth, across and between and around each other, to make a symphony. Then in the end, the music will stop and the physical universe will be no more; but between the beginning and the finish of the music there was glorious beauty and a glorious experience. The spiritual universe will continue. Everything assumed its design in various forms and their activity resulted in the law of attraction and repulsion. All forms would attract and repel each other in their evolutionary dance.

All things are a part of God and an expression of God's thought. The Mind of God was the force which propelled and perpetuated these thoughts. All minds, as thoughts of God, do everything God imagined. Everything that came into being is an aspect of the One Mind. GOD IS FIRST CAUSE.

Answer 4

Honestly: it's enough for me to scientifically know where life on Earth came from and how the Big Bang originated the Universe. What was there before the Big Bang? Nothing. Even if there was 'something', I wouldn't, and actually don't, worry about that;)

Answer 5

Why don't we put it that way. The concept of a beginning or the necessity for everything to have a beginning is just human, The limitless Divine has no need for it. We simply need to realize that as probably we humans are an eternal mystery to lower creatures like animals and birds, so should Divine be to us.

Answer 6

The One True God, the Creator is beyond time and space.
If we use properly our rational sense to get understanding, we will come to understand this concept.
If we keep on reasoning as a man confined in this universe, we may understand that God is the Creator of this universe, and cannot understand things beyond that. If we expand our imagination to query beyond our knowledge as for Who creates God, then the answer might be His Creator. And on and on and on unto infinity, the answer is still the Highest Creator is the One True God. And if we keep on asking beyond infinity, that proves only our irrational arrogance! Because, reasonable people realize their limit: we really know nothing. I know nothing, what I am writing here based only on my limited learning from the Holy Books.

Answer 7

In the beginning there was everything and everyone....and the word was everything and everyone.

The Big Bang was created and some people called it evolution.

The everyone and everything changed over time.

Eventually the all and the everything..will return to the original source.
People argue about the time-line and the mechanisms involved in the beginning and the ending.

First cause was us and them and everything....we call it by different names. I call it the "creative energy" of which we are all a part of.

Answer 8

The big bang is a cycle created by god. Every trillion years of so the universe glumps together and makes a super nuclear bang and the cycle continues.

Answer 9

for evolution to be real, the origin and the end of the universe has to be infinite. it is for this fact that evolution is very hard for me to believe. the theory of creationism pinpoints the universe simultaneously at a finite origin and end. that is god. if the universe is infinite, then time and space are illusions to the human frame of mind.

from the cosmic perception of things, spontenaity has no logical procession, only adhering to one law, the conservation of energy, which in itself is too clumsy to have a consequencial goal, and way too uncontrollable, in the astrological sense of things, to restore enough balance to sustain life, and especially allow for evolution. the universe is too full of differences to have came from singularity.

Answer 10

This was figured out a long time ago by people a lot smarter than most of us.

For a complete treatment of the issue, go here:

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1044.htm