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I spoke with a lady a while back and she told me that we Christians were trying to crucify Christ again and that Jesus was already here telling them what to do from a private room, and my questions are who would lie to you like that or in what to they base this information on, that we're trying to crucify him again; and do they really believe that Jesus is coming again in the flesh?

2007-01-28 08:24:50 · 9 answers · asked by MexicaliDad 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

But when I went bacl and read the Bible in 2 John 7 it says "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."

And this is in the New World Translation.

And this is what the New King James translation says "For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Cans someone explain because I haven't been able to get a straight answer. Thank you. And the question of the room was another thing that I don't understand either, she told me that there is a group of Jehovah Witnesses that get instructions from Jesus. I really appreciate your answers.

2007-01-29 05:04:59 · update #1

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No, they believe that he has already "returned" invisibly.

Actually, this is a little confusing. Their orginal teaching was that Jesus had returned to the earth in an actual invisible spiritual body in 1874 and was "present" in the earth. The reason they believed this was because they had calculated the date for his return and thought it was in 1874. When they learned that the Greek word "parousia" could also be translated "presence" as well as "arrival" or "coming", they concluded that the reason they didn't see him even though he was actually "present" was because he was invisible, thus an "invisible presence". They thought he would manifest his presence to the whole world in 1914 - not in a visible fleshly way - but by fully establishing his Kingdom on earth in 1914, after putting the Gentile nations "out of business", so to speak.

Their expectations for 1914 were also wrong, so at some point they said he didn't return in 1874, he returned in 1914, except he didn't return at all, he was still in heaven, but yet "present". Again, they explained this was "invisble" just as they had explained why he didn't appear in 1874. This "return" was invisible to everyone who didn't have the "eyes of faith" to discern his 'presence' which they no longer believed was an actual "presence" in the earth.

The argument that his presence is only discerned by those with "eyes of faith" is not valid, since the Scripture in Revelation says that every eye will see him, including those who pierced him - in other words, enemies or unbelievers. So even if his return is not in a fleshly body, the manifestation of his return is evident to the whole world, not just believers.

Also the argument that you couldn't see anyone in a cloud is flawed. "Coming with the clouds" is not the same as being inside a cloud, obscured from view. Coming "on" a cloud would indicate a very visible coming, obvious to anyone who looked upward. This harmonizes with the Bible's teaching that his arrival will be with "trumpets" - not secret and hidden.

I hope I haven't confused you, but the development of the doctrine has had quite a few twists and turns along the way. Personally, I think that when Jesus actually does return, it will be evident to the entire world, but not necessarily because of a manifestation in the flesh.

I don't know what the "private room" is about; perhaps you misunderstood that part.

2007-01-29 05:47:01 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2 3

The claim that Jesus was already here telling them what to do is a claim that jehova's witnesses make to maintain the credibility of their teachings.

They have falsely predicted the second comming of Christ on numerous occassions, so the came up with this teaching so that they would not be labled false prophets according to Deuteronomy.

As for 2nd John 7, It is very important to understand and keep the context of the book, not simply one verse.

John wrote that passage to refute those who denied the dual nature of christ. During this time, I believe that the agnostics of the day were denying the Fleshly incarnation of christ, saying he was mere spirit, But read 1John 1:1.

I hope this is not too confusing. I do apologize it's been awhile since I have dialogued with anyone on this subject.

Also, When Jesus comes again, Every eye will see him. There will be no secret coming.

I agree with "Wester" in large part. As I stated, I am a little out of touch with this subject, so I would need to verify a few things, but for the most part, based on what I can remember from bible school, this seems to be accurate, at least the jist of the argument "Wester" makes.

I encourage you to visit www.equip.org. This is a website dedicated to defending the Christian faith.

Hank Hanigraff is a very studied man in the Bible, Cults & comparitive religions.

Tons of resources on Jehova witnesses, Mormonism and Islam and many others.

2007-01-29 07:35:29 · answer #2 · answered by jdlittleman 1 · 2 2

i'm no longer a Jehovah's Witness the two, yet while i'm incorrect, i'm distinctly specific that somebody will come on right here and splendid it. they don't have self belief in the Trinity, via fact the be conscious Trinity does no longer look in any Bible that grew to become into written from the unique Greek/Hebrew textual content fabric. they have self belief that there is one actual God, the author and that they have got self belief there's a begotten Son, Jesus. they have self belief that Jesus grew to become into probable with GOD all alongside, first as an angel, (no longer fairly documented) yet says that he grew to become into with him from the commencing up. Then as religious guy, Jesus, and lower back to God's good area in heaven. they have self belief that God, the author is giving Jesus the authority to rule over the hot earth, after the lots noted Armageddon. The Holy Spirit isn't considered as God or Jesus or as a man or woman via fact it does no longer have a private call and can be assumed to be the existence stress of the author. lots of folk declare that Jehovah's Witness close out Jesus, giving only the author popularity, in the 1st area of Revelation it tells of the religions that delighted God. One faith grew to become into very almost suitable. the single subject they neglected grew to become into acknowledging the father. It nonetheless is going, at the instant.

2016-09-28 02:49:22 · answer #3 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Consider the one example of when Christ appeared to a man after his ascension to heaven. The man was instantly blinded. The man was Saul of Tarsus, otherwise known as the Apostle Paul.

If it was possible for him to appear physically, don't you think he would have to the man who became one of the greatest teachers of Christianity? Do you think you are greater than Paul and deserve better? Christ exist in unapproachable light.

The question to ask yourself is do you need to see him physically to believe he exist, or is the fulfillment of the prophesies of his second enough for you? Does your faith, a faith that can only be found in the human heart, require physical proof of Christ, or is the Word of God, his and your Father, good enough?

2007-01-28 09:48:01 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

you will feel Jesus, if he came back in the flesh, then he died for nothing. if Jesus came back in a cloud like he went into heaven, people would not understand and would shoot him. what private room are you talking about?

2007-01-28 08:28:42 · answer #5 · answered by lover of Jehovah and Jesus 7 · 0 1

No. John 14:19: "In a little while, the world will behold me no more."

2007-01-28 08:32:13 · answer #6 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 2 1

Yes, but he exists in spirit and truth.

The bible states, ". . . he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear (from God), that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come." (John 16: 13)

2007-01-28 08:38:55 · answer #7 · answered by BARTMAN 1 · 0 1

In the flesh, no. He'll be wearing a peach-colored, stain- and wrinkle-resistant leisure suit.

2007-01-28 08:28:50 · answer #8 · answered by ivorytowerboy 5 · 1 3

no

2007-01-28 08:35:00 · answer #9 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 1 1

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