A question of truth about Islam....?

Question

Is this passage of the quran accurate & true?....if not please post the real passage c/w with the number

Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Hey blondie.....I asked if you thought it was false or in accurate to provide the real passage.....thank you for proving the passage is real by your silence,keep up the good work

To red necks....yes those things are in the bible....but the difference is that it wasn't said by Christ....does it not disturb you that this passage was attributed to the founder of Islam?

To onewhosubmits.....Thank you for your bracketed comments... I'm sure women the world over will thank you for beating them 'lightly'....once again thank you brother for exposing Islam for what it is....We really can't do it without you,keep up the good work.

To zaidi.....i'm sure you are so weary of justifying your religion and your 'prophet' ....you are so burdened are'nt you my brother

Answer 1

I believe that is an accurate passage. However if you think there are not similar passages in the Judeo-Christian bible, you are kidding yourself. Read the various passages in Deuteronomy and Leviticus that discuss how to beat your slaves if they disobey you.

Those texts were written in a different time, a different world, some passages clearly do not stand the test of time.

Answer 2

Let us look at Ayat (verses) 4:34-36 "(34). Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).


Islam does not allow men to beat their wives at anytime they want and as much as they want as the Anti-Islamics claim with their lies. The only time Islam allows a husband to beat his wife is when she flirts or show disloyalty for the third time


the Prophet (PBUH)) said, "Many women have gone round Muhammad's family complaining of their husbands. Those who do so, that is, those who take to beating their wives, are not the best among you

Answer 3

Whatever, Its a pretty poor state of affairs isn't it

In other words the mighty Allah was a narrow minded women beater who suggested others join in his bigoted and biased manners towards females. No wonder so many Islamic women want out.

Christians number quite high in Iran and many were Islam followers before changing to a religion that did not discriminate against them or segregate them in their temples of worship.

How do all those blokes cope with the farts of the ones in front when they raise their asses in the air is what I would like to know!

Answer 4

This is a better translation

[004:034] Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allâh orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity and their husband's property). As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they obey you, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great.

Answer 5

Could Zaidi enumerate the rights Muslim women have that we have not?

Answer 6

Translation of 4:34
Men are the protectors of women because of the greater preference that God has given to some of them and because they financially support them. Among virtuous women are those who are steadfast in prayer and dependable in keeping the secrets that God has protected. Admonish women who disobey (God's laws), do not sleep with them and beat them. If they obey (the laws of God), do not try to find fault in them. God is High and Supreme. (4:34)

Well i dont think that this verse means that just beat ur wife and consider them as slaves. this verse has a very pure message that the right women will always be dependable in keeping the secrets that God has protected. She will be loyal to her husband only and not like what is happening in west (swapping, sleeping with others...) . A child born of single father is very better than of many..

as far as rights are concern please see other following verses. There is no religion other then Islam to have given women so much rights. dont go for single verse read the whole surah (176 verses). this will really clear ur mind.

verse 36-37-38
Worship God and consider no one equal to Him. Be kind to your parents, relatives, orphans, the destitute, your near and distant neighbors, your companions, wayfarers, and your slaves. God does not love the proud and boastful ones, (4:36) the stingy ones who try to make others stingy or those who hide the favors that God has bestowed on them. We have prepared a humiliating torment for the disbelievers, (4:37) those who spend their property out of a desire to show off and not because of their belief in God and the Day of Judgment, and (lastly) those who choose Satan for a friend; what an evil friend!(4:38) .


Also please dont compare Islam with Terrorism. because laden, taliban, extremist they all are not true muslims. They dont have any space in this religion.


Dear Imogen,
In Islam there are many rights that supports women and her status. I just cant write all in one message.

In Koran (Words of God) there is a whole chapter named "An-Nisa" (The Women). That chapter completely explains the very high status of women and pomps their dignity. Can u tell me which other Holy Book has so. Not only that Koran as another Chapter named "Maryam" (Mother of Jesus).

For example: I am quoting a special law and thinks does not prevails in other religion.

For family planning the sole decision rest with the wife. If a man wants to do family planning (no more children) then he is first to ask his wife for that. The wife can refuse his request. But if it is initiated by wife then it is not a request asked, it is a decision imparted to husband.

Apart from that there are other examples.

Beneath mother's feet lies heaven. (Saying of Prophet Muhammad)

Our Prophet Muhammad, he used to lay his shawl on floor in order to welcome his daughter.

On numerous occassions God described Prophet Muhammad family from single relation of women. From Prophet's daughter. i.e.
"Fatima(Daughter of Muhammad), Her Father(Muhammad), Her Husband(Ali), Her two sons(Hasan, Hussain)".
This reflects the women status.

Hajj (Pilgrimage) is Jihad (Holy War) for every weak person. For everything that you own there is (part of) Zakat (Money for Poor)), and Zakat of your body is fasting. The Jihad of a woman is to afford pleasant company to her husband.

There are many others.....


For digger.
My Prophet does not require any help from me to promulgate Islam. He has done enough work to spread the true message. His words and Koran are now enlighten part of History. As far as my answer is concern it is the justification of your question, the wrong sense that u were trying to develope. If i know something that u dont know and bro u are asking for that then i will answer it hundred times until u r satisfied. i just cant push to the correct way but will guide u,

Answer 7

yes it is true... that symbolize what islam is about, enslaving women, conquering others. absolutely true.. Muslims should reform islam and get life. otherwise, Islam cannot be accepted in the free world.

Answer 8

In the event of a family dispute, the Qur'an exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not overlook her positive aspects (see Qur'an 4:19). If the problem relates to the wife's behavior, her husband may exhort her and appeal for reason. In most cases, this measure is likely to be sufficient.

In cases where the problem continues, the husband may express his displeasure in another peaceful manner, by sleeping in a separate bed from hers. There are cases however, in which a wife persists in deliberate mistreatment and expresses contempt of her husband and disregard for her marital obligations.

Instead of divorce, the husband may resort to another measure that may save the marriage, at least in some cases. Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on the face, making it more of a symbolic measure then a punitive one.

Following is the related Qur'anic text: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women. because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) do not share their beds, (and last) beat (tap) them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all)." (4:34)

Even here, that maximum measure is limited by the following:

1. It must be seen as a rare exception to the repeated exhortation of mutual respect, kindness and good treatment, discussed earlier.

Based on the Qur'an and hadith this measure may be used in the cases of lewdness on the part of the wife or extreme refraction and rejection of the husband's reasonable requests on a consistent basis. Even then, other measures, such as exhortation, should be tried first.

2. As defined by hadith, it is not permissible to strike anyone's face, cause any bodily harm or even be harsh. What the hadith qualified as light striking, was interpreted by early jurists as a (symbolic) use of miswak (a small natural toothbrush)! They further qualified permissible "striking" as that which leaves no mark on the body.

It is interesting that this latter fourteen-centuries-old qualifier is the criterion used in contemporary American law to separate a light and harmless tap or strike from "abuse" in the legal sense. This makes it clear that even this extreme, last resort, and "lesser of the two evils" measure that may save a marriage does not meet the definitions of "physical abuse," "family violence, " or "wife battering" in the 20th century law in liberal democracies, where such extremes are so commonplace that they are seen as national concerns!

3. The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction does not imply its desirability. In several ahadith, Prophet Muhammad "peace be upon Him"discouraged this measure. Among his sayings are the following: "Do not beat the female servants of Allah;" "Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you;" and also, "[It is a shame that] one of you beats his wife like [an unscrupulous person] beats a slave and maybe he sleeps with her at the end of the day." (See Riyadh Al-Saliheen)

In another hadith the Prophet"peace be upon Him" said ... "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?..." (Sahih Al-Bukhari).

4. True following of the sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet Muhammad"peace be upon Him" who never resorted to that measure, regardless of the circumstances.

5. Islamic teachings are universal in nature. They respond to the needs and circumstances of diverse times, cultures and circumstances. Some measures may work in some cases and cultures or with certain persons but may not be effective in others. by definition, a "permissible" act is neither required, encouraged or forbidden. In fact it may be better to spell out the extent of permissibility, such as in the issue at hand, rather than leaving it unrestricted and unqualified, or ignoring it all together. In the absence of strict qualifiers, persons may interpret the matter in their own way, which can lead to excesses and real abuse.

6. Any excess, cruelty, family violence, or abuse committed by any "Muslim" can never be traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Qur'an or hadith). Such excesses and violations are to be blamed on the person(s) himself, as it shows that they are paying lip service to Islamic teachings and injunctions and failing to follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH).
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Answer 9

sounds Islamic to me

Answer 10

Jesus is the only way to heaven,if the world could only understand this.