What is it with all those people?

Question

who put all martial artist who fight in Pride/UFC/K-1/Etc... down? They keep say those people aren't martial artist and they're nothing but violent animals who doesn't know a thing but fight.

Doesn't anyone realize how much some of those guys did for the community? When Fedor was in Korea, he took time to go out of his way to do community service for the kids. Wanderlei played Santa for a very poor kids in brazil. buakaw has offer a seminar to rise moneys for donation. Tito has done many things to give back to community. Mirko have always been working really hard on help polices in Croatia to recieve better benefit and payment.
Dewey Cooper regularly come in gym to help out kids and beginners for free all of the time. His schedule is busy as heII but he doesn't let that get in his way. Also I've seen tons of pics of those fighters all friendly with young kids as young as 5 or 6.

Do you really think those people/martial artists deserve to be bashed and treated as a dangerous animal?

To first answerer, so you think that all true matrial artists should follow what you think is perfect? Who make you the authority of martial arts world? Where do you get "code of martial atrist" that fit EVERY styles out there? I have no love for many styles out there, but I still admit they're a martial atrist. I guess this show who learn more from martial arts and who better martial artists are.

Answer 1

Its entertainment. PERIOD. they are paid to entertain. Some Martial Artists get paid to entertain, some choose a different path, there is no right way or wrong way, there is one way, onward.

Answer 2

Ninedemon...I have seen you answer many of these questions and have always respected your opinions. So, please do not take this as an insult to you or to your art. The fighters in UFC are, in my opinion, atheletes and nothing more. They are just like a Boxer who fights for a living and are little more of a Martial Artist than Mike Tyson. The UFC and other fights like it are sporting events- again like boxing- and they do not deserve the respect that a Martial Arts master gets.
They DO however, deserve WAY more respect than they get. They are elite atheletes like a pro football player or a Major League baseball player. They certainly do get involved in charities and such and do great stuff for communities and organizations. I guess that people have a hard time seeing beyond the "ring face" they give in a bout.
The problem I have is the exact opposite- where do UFC style fighters get off thinking their way is the only (effective) way to fight? The only real problem I have ever had with a UFC fighter is their OWN arrogence thinking they are perfect or study/teach the "perfect" Martial Art.
Hope this helps...
Sensei Cox

Answer 3

jealousy, pure jealousy.

See people want to feel like what they have is "better". Its easy to dismiss boxing (when in reality a pro boxer would wipe the floor with most of the so called "masters" of any art, I'll get to that) and not make an issue of it because the rules obvioulsly don't allow grappling, kicking, elbows and other strikes, locks, throws, etc. so its pretty easy to "ignore" and not be offended.

However while boxing can be ignored, because a TKD stylist can't have a sanctioned match and point spar a boxer, they have an excuse. It forces traditional martial artists to re-examine the shortfalls of thier arts and either:

1- admit that they are not "complete" or

2- train in another style or practice and implement a defence to certain other common techniuqes and teach it (unfortunately many of these "new" things are either just a version of an "old" thing that works, or they just don't work and are just plain crappling), or

3- they outright lie and say "yeah but these guys weren't ****" to try to protect thier business and thier ego.

Martial arts needs to "evolve" so remaining the same for 100 years isn't progress its stangant, in all things, economic and scientific it is a dead end (would you use a computer from 20 years ago?, would you want a doctor with medical training from the 1900's to treat you? would you want to be a Homo Erectus living in today's world?).

MMA, pride, UFC (ok not so much k-1) is the closest ruleset (pride more than UFC) you can legally get to a real fight, something many teachers don't want to admit, so rather than taking the ego and saying "****, people are doing it, I'd better learn it so I can teach students to defend against it" they say "oh those guys are ****, and it won't work on the deadly str33t".

They are just animals. Guess what, when you are bieng shredded apart in the woods by a bear are you going to tell him "thats ok, you are just an animal?". even the very insult they use and logic to denegrate competitors has more contradictions than the bible.

Yes, maybe a competitor might win because they are in better shape, more physically fit than someone who is not. Of course, they devote 10+ hours a day to training. Most of us make that choice.

They are just looking for an excuse to satisfy thier own minds.

BOXING: ok why would a pro boxer wipe the floor with most martial artists? Simply because they are better physically trained. The intensity at which a PRO of any martial art trains is at much more intensity, and much more time devoted to it than someone who is not going to be a pro. Of course we are talking hand to hand here. Even though when you just look at the techniques, a boxer or MT fighter or judoka have a disadvantage against a non-rule restricted styleist- however think of the fact that they have trained harder, and generally spar at a much higher intensity more frequently.

Can a martial artist mimick this? Of course they can, they can train hard and practice with full resistance however you also have to look at how much time they spend. If you are a debutaunt and have all the money in the world and don't have to work or run a business then you have all day to train hard and spend as much time as the pros do (and you can probably buy them as sparring partners too.). You don't think if donald trump waved a 50k check in front of chuck liddell's face (or a $0.50 in front of tyson's face) and said come do some hard sparring with me today that he woudn't?

Answer 4

Those who choose to fight for a living are just as much a martial artist as those who don't . They test their arts , bodies,and minds . If someone thinks that they are above them because they have chosen the path of non violence, then that person is a fool. Making time for their communities is a great thing , many of the 'non-violent' martial artists should try to follow their example of piety . People often seem to forget that the martial arts were created for fighting, not for some transendental meditation . Some of the arts have incorporated many other aspects into them , but they are still fighting arts.

Answer 5

To fight for a living is a honorable and respectful path. These guys are professional athletes. They work hard and put their hearts into what they do.

I don't understand why people have a problem with MMA events. The channel can be turned if the viewer does not like the program, it is not being forced on anyone.
As far as arguing if they are or are not martial artists, well, that is a judgment call and I am not here to judge anyone.

Answer 6

I agree with you man, just because they fight for a living doesn't mean that they're animals.

If that's so then you'd have to include EVERY other Martial Artist that ever competed, along with any other athlete that ever took up fighting for a living.

the people that always detract against these guys only focus on the negative (what they see in the fighters when they compete) and not the fighter as a person when they're away from the ring.

I agree that those people should just keep their detractatory remarks to themselves, instead of putting thewse guys down just because their way of earning a living means utilizing violence.

Answer 7

no they dont and i must admit i havn't seen those comments though.being a fighter doesn't make them a bad person. there's been a lot of fighters and sportsmen that do community based things,such as some that youv'e mentioned.some do it because they want to others because it gives them credit with the population and the viewers etc.i dont care why they do it there doing it and it helps people and if it's kids all the better.the ones who just fight and then quit and dont put anything or very little back i dont consider ma.but a lot of the fighters iv'e known get the fighting bit out of there system and then continue on and become very good martial artists,me included.it's called experience.not everyone takes the same route to get to the same place?getting to the place is the goal?anyway thats my opinion.and iv'e gotta get that spell thingy going again.

Answer 8

Excellent question. I agree with Bushido and some of the other comments. I would also like to add that to train and devote your life to training is no easy task. It is not done for fame or money but simply the love of what you do. Not everyone is rich and has the ability to hang out at the academy all week training every day. I applaude the professional fighters who get paid to do what they love. Most people don't see the countless hours spent in training and driving yourself to near exhaustion. That is selfless devotion. A lot of the fighters support their families with their lifestyle and get to enjoy the career they choose. I think that in itself is awe inspiring. Everyone has different reasons of course for getting into MMA competition but I believe the majority of the fighters have a great attitude and are extremely fortunate to be able to do what they do. It is not like the guy fighting on the street when someone steps into the ring. It is the spirit of competition that drives the warrior spirit. Aloha

Answer 9

It's called simple human arrogance, and ignorance....nothing more complicated than that.

I personally have no beef with MMA or MMA competants at all. I've done some crosstraining within MMA to better my ground game, and I've met numerous people who compete in MMA. Many of which are decent human beings and good people to have a roll with, and catch a beer afterward with.

I've learned something when it comes to people....the large majority of them are about as knowledgeable on legitimate facts as a doorknob. This being the case, who give a rip what they think?

Answer 10

those who believe that they are 'pure' are always less than tolerant of other peoples choices, and will always oppose, no matter the debate. they are destined to stay uneducated to the choice of 'choice' in life. why should they care what others do? who knows.

as for the first answer: a true martial artist??? whats up with that?
we are students of martial science. some prefer to bathe in the blood of enemies, while others prefer the quiet contemplation of zen. I agree with the second answer, there is no right or wrong way, only further into the knowledge you are after. me, I prefer to contemplate the intricacies of violence in all its manifestations. because that to me is where I need to understand myself.

there is no true martial artist, it is all perspective.

Answer 11

The people who put these athletes down are just as bad as those who put the athletes up on a pedestal. These fighters are people just like the rest of us who are dedicated to their chosen profession and strive to be the best they can be at it, and those with big hearts give back to their communities, just like we do in our personal lives. When they get too wrapped up in their own self-worth, then they start acting like celebrety ***holes. People are people, all over.