The only observation that a non-Mormon might make regarding this question is simply to acknowledge that Mormons themselves claim to be nontrinitarian Christians; that is, they believe that Jesus the Son is a distinct person from God the Father. However, Mormons do not believe that the "God" of the so-called "New Testament" is the same "God" of the so-called "Old Testament"; Mormonism teaches that the pre-human Jesus is the "God" or "Jehovah" of the so-called "Old Testament".
This is obviously a fundamentally different theology than the other great nontrinitarian Christian religion, Jehovah's Witnesses. Jehovah's Witnesses believe the bible to teach that there are several references to Jesus in the so-called "Old Testament" which indicate that he is distinct from the "God" or "Jehovah" of the so-called "Old Testament". It is not enough to simply assert that a doctrine is true, and so Jehovah's Witnesses reason from the Scriptures on the matter...
It seems rather obvious that the apostle Luke at Acts 4:25-27 quotes from Psalms 2:1,2. Although these passages are part of the Christian and Hebrew Scriptures respectively, BOTH passages make it plain that there is an "anointed one" who is distinct from God. The Psalm plains calls that God by the name "Jehovah" (explicitly using the Tetragrammaton) and Acts plainly calls the anointed one by the name "Jesus".
(Psalm 2:1,2) [David wrote] Why have the nations been in tumult and the national groups themselves kept muttering an empty thing? 2 The kings of earth take their stand And high officials themselves have massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one
(Acts 4:24-27) [Peter, John, and fellow Christians] with one accord raised their voices to God and said: “Sovereign Lord, you are the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all the things in them, 25 and who through holy spirit said by the mouth of our forefather David, your servant, ‘Why did nations become tumultuous and peoples meditate upon empty things? 26 The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one.’ 27 Even so, both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of nations and with peoples of Israel were in actuality gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus
Similarly, the apostle Paul at 1 Cor 2:16 and Rom 11:33,34 paraphrases Isaiah 40:13. Note that Isaiah explicitly uses the name "Jehovah" (the Hebrew Tetragrammaton), and 1 Corinthians plainly CONTRASTS the mind of Jehovah with the mind of Christ Jesus.
(1 Corinthians 2:16) For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.
(Romans 11:33-34) O the depth of God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How unsearchable his judgments are and past tracing out his ways are! 34 For “who has come to know Jehovah’s mind, or who has become his counselor?”
(Isaiah 40:13) Who has taken the proportions of the spirit of Jehovah, and who as his man of counsel can make him know anything?
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2007-01-28 08:18:43
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answered by achtung_heiss 7
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First off I will say that I do not "knock" anyone for their beliefs or opinions. I do not ridicule nor persecute anyone for their beliefs. Nor do I feel the need to push my opinions on others and "make" them see it my way. I simply believe that if you want to talk religion then you best be prepared to hear, and attempt to understand someone else's opinion or belief system. I have my own and I do not profess to understand how anyone in this day and age believes in some higher power.
After all of the technological advances we have seen in the past 100 or so years, it blows my mind that there are still people out there praying to an unseen deity. How is it that there are countless people out there who believe in a book or books???? I do believe there was a man named Jesus at one point in time, I do not believe he really rose from the dead and had magical powers, because essentially that's what he would have to have to turn water into wine etc etc. I believe he was most likely a heretic or a crazy of the time and also highly persuasive. We all know of someone who could sell an "Eskimo a block of ice" as the saying goes, why couldn't he have been one of them??? If there is some almighty Christ, then why is it that ESP and magic are not believed in? That people scoff at the fact that someone may have been a party to stigmata or countless other happenings? That there are so many disbelievers in the "976 call me for your fortune" tellers??? And for that matter where is this supposed God? Throughout time, and really only for the last few thousand years (which in the grand scheme of things is not that long), the masses believed that God lived up above and the Devil lived down below. We have now learned that there is a fantastic universe above and the core of the Earth below. Also that the Earth was not created by some unseen being, but by a naturally occurring phenomenon, the creation of our Sun, which is nothing more than a star that will eventually swallow this planet up into itself and create a black hole anyway.
While I do not personally believe in a God in any form, I do believe there are "aliens" out there in the universe somewhere, I just don't think anyone on Earth will ever see them, if they exist they are too far away and will remain so. It's not very probable that in an infinite Universe, we are the only living creatures.
Who knows, maybe based on my opinion, I could start a new religion after the next naturally occurring ice age hits. Because you know, we have to entertain the possibility that we/Earth are the victims of some child alien's science experiment, in which case, God could really be Timmy the Green Martian. And our main concern might need to be that Timmy is going to put us in the back of his closet and forget about us once he gets his first place blue ribbon for his awesome experiment. I'll write the book of Tim and let you know.
2007-01-27 20:18:11
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answered by borgstar19 1
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I think it's awesome how you can read the answers to any question about Mormons and they will all be the same. Especially the ones against the Mormons. People try and talk about not adding to the Bible (but there was plenty added to the Bible after the scriptures they site), they talk about metals or animals or decendants that could not have existed in the Book of Mormon (but no one really knows, they can only assume these things, even if it is an assumption of science), they argue this or that...but what it comes down to is having an open mind and overcoming one's preconceived ideas or perceptions when reading the Book of Mormon. If they believe in prayer, and that God answers prayers, then they should pray about it (because no factual evidence will ever give them the answers - religion is about faith, not facts). If God tells them it's wrong, then great, move on. We should all respect each other regardless.
2007-01-29 11:34:55
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answered by straightup 5
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You ask for a truthful answer, and I'll make it as nice as I can.
When I was in the service, I had a friend who was Mormon. At the time, I was also searching for the truth in religion. So, I bought a Book of Mormon and started to read it.
I found it to be totally absurd. No one talks or writes like that, and certainly not God or angels. I could not even begin to take it for real, let alone truth. It was unbelievable, worse than a fairy tale.
Aside from its stylistic form, theologically it contradicts the Bible, of which Mormons claim the BOM is supposed to be a continuation of.
The BOM clearly takes off from Catholic and Protestant beliefs, not the early Church of God, and certainly not the Bible.
Have you read the Bible? It is quite different from the BOM. And many of its statements are provable (and have been proved) in history, and its doctrine are sound.
2007-01-27 15:42:50
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answered by BC 6
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People believe different things. For some, the fact that there is no god is as strong as your belief in him. And humans will always persecute other humans. It gives a sense of power that they would not feel otherwise. Personally, I look at the Bible and all religious books as guides, but not hard truth. Words and meanings are always lost in translation, and the books that we have now are different from the originals. The main purpose is for people like you and I to feel comfort, and to feel close to your god. I say be strong in your religion, but don't push it on others.
2007-01-27 15:25:17
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answered by Anonymous
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Dear Friend, I truly understand why you may be hurt when us people do not back up the Mormon belief.. I know that many believers are very sincere in their search to be Godly people.. but the bottom line is that in the bible, God clearly says nothing should be added or subtracted to his word.
I know of a lot of wonderful Mormon people.. but when you put the name of your church after a man.. and focus on what that man did and he is of no relation to God the Father.. that is idolatry.
I think you need to do some home work.. Do you know that even in the word of God.. he asks us to not just believe right away.. but to question and ask for proof of his word. It will come in the form of confirmation..
If you want to be close to the Lord.. and not worry about religion.. and you are sincere then do a little homework.
http://www.godandscience.org/cults/mormtest.html
Please check this site .. made up from Mormons
As a matter of fact my son has a friend downstairs visiting as I am writing this.. and he is Mormon.. he has been doing his homework and has told us.. he has found a lot of holes.. He will need to work this out between him and God!
2007-01-28 23:42:57
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answered by Esther J 3
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It is not wrong to disagree and be honest with people. Unfortunately some of those who don't like your opinion will call it persecution. But does that make the reverse true as well? Joseph Smith claimed he asked God which Christian denomination to join and he claims God told him to join none of them because they are an abomination to him. So those who belong to those denominations could claim they were being persecuted by Joseph Smith. Now as to the authenticity of Joseph Smiths books he claimed God gave him. They contain historical inaccuracies which cannot be explained. he describes the use of metals that hadn't been invented in the time his books claims they were being used. They also had a compass and a glass window on a boat even though these instruments hadn't been invented until some time later. As for his claims about the societies in the Americas, no archaeologist has even confirmed any of the these sights or materials that he describes in his books, even though he suggests that they were huge societies with many people. Finally the language he claims the golden plates were written in was reformed Egypt ion hieroglyphics. No such language has ever existed. Add to that the three witnesses of the book of Mormon all recanted their testimony. Search these things out and find out if what I am saying is true or not. Truth isn't injured by honest enquiry, and be cautious of any religion that forbids you to ask questions. Many organizations discourage people from reading anything that isn't published by themselves. This isn't good because deception works best in an atmosphere of darkness. Finally one big area of disagreement I have with Mormon teachings is that people can become Gods. anyone at all familiar with new and old testament orthodox teaching will soon realise that God made it abundantly clear that there is only one true God. Mormons like to quote how Jesus once quoted ye are gods to try and justify this belief. However fasle gods are also called gods and in one instance in the new testament Satan is referred to as the God of this world. Does that mean flase gods and Satan are God almighty? The bible makes it clear that there is one God. Christians believe that the trinity of three persons is still one God. But if you accept that men can become Gods than that would flip Satans tempting Adam and Eve's on it's head. Remember it was the serpeant who told them if they ate of the fruit they would become like God.
2007-01-27 16:10:43
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answered by Edward J 6
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I will answer your question truthfully and nicely as you requested, but I can say with no hesitation whatsoever, that the BOM is not true. I have tried more times than I care to remember to try and read it, and I could never get more than 20-30 pages into it. I will not judge you because because you believe it's true, but in return you should not judge those who do not believe it. I recommend that you read the Bible and not the Mormom version of the Bible because it contains changes made by Joseph Smith.
2007-01-27 16:05:26
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answered by maryanndertal 3
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Spiritual matters must be discerned spiritually. Many people read it just to say they did, or read it to prove someone wrong, or look for errors, etc. However, I have never known of anyone who read the book of mormon sincerely, seeking truth, and trusting in God who has not received a divine confirmation of it's truthfulness.
2007-01-31 01:29:03
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answered by Ender 6
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Honestly and truthfully.... I don't know how you can read the book of mormon and believe it.
It's crap. Supposedly translated from ancient egyptian into broken King James English?????
It barely makes literary sense let alone theological sense.
Joseph Smith changed his testimoy at least twice before "publishing" it and the LDS church changed it again in the late 1960s.
He was met by the angels supposedly God and Jesus and was filled with fear and encompassed by darkness.
God does not come in a spirit of fear... read Isaiah. Jesus is not dark, He is the light of the world.
I'll pray for you.
2007-01-27 15:24:49
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answered by Anonymous
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You are just beating your head against a brick wall, dear. Seriously, there will always be opposition to the gospel...Satan knows it is true and he wants others to hate it and be led astray from the light. He is doing a pretty good job but will not prevail, that we know.
Just do what you know is right, share your testimony and remember that we must endure to the end.
2007-01-27 15:38:23
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answered by Anonymous
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