IF so, then your choices are like curves in a puzzle... some go in, some go out, but ultimately you fit into the cosmic plan... and like that puzzle piece, you have no ultimate control over what you do. this means, dear friend, you have NO free will... and in that vein, all those who are sent to hell had no choice to begin with... it was a part in this "perfect" plan. Trillions go to burn forever, some go to heaven... those fortunate enough to be swayed by those around them at an appropriate age. Skeptics and free thinkers, hellbound. People who believe in other gods, hellbound. IF god has a plan for your life, then there is no free will and all who are destined for hell were sent there before they ever knew they would be born.
2007-01-26 20:30:24 · 21 answers · asked by Shawn M 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
you people are not THINKING! IF there is a plan, there can be NO DEVIATIONS from that plan, which means that every action, even if you think you did it on your own, fits INTO the plan like piece of a puzzle... this means that there is, ultimately, NO FREEWILL and those destined for HELL were predestined, and god gave them NO real choice.
2007-01-26 20:40:20 · update #1
FOR EXAMPLE:
did Judas fulfill god's perfect plan when he betrayed jesus? if so, then he should be rewarded because without Judas, there would be no salvation. if NOT, then the whole salvation thing was a fluke that may or may NOT have happened...
2007-01-26 20:42:01 · update #2
SO FAR, god's plan for me is to question him... is that OK? the more i question the less i believe in him.
2007-01-26 20:43:21 · update #3
HAMZA, you said precisely what i said ...
2007-01-26 20:45:17 · update #4
Something tells me that's just not true though.
2007-01-26 20:33:22 · answer #1 · answered by Atlas 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
God does have a plan for this world, and you do still have freewill. Right now it seems as though you do not believe in God but you can change that, you yourself can now be part of God's grace and have a place reserved with God. But.. you choose not to, so the freewill is still there, now I know that you may still need some enlightened thought or I guess convincing, but I will not preach because I am not a preacher, nor do I have the right to because I'm still such a terrible sinner. But how will you know for sure if you will turn to God one day, you yourself does not know your future but only God, what if God makes you see & understand His ways and some way along the line you are now a believer in God, you dont know this because you still have your own beliefs that is of the present day. You think the way you think right now but all that can change and you dont know what will become of your life say, 2, 3, 40 years from now. the freewill is still there but only God is the one who knows of this plan since He is the One who created all. I believe that God has a plan for me but I dont know what that is, what if someday I might turn on God and stop believing in Him, then that is the plan for me, but as of right now I am walking with God and trying to follow Him and I truly believe that He will let me inside Heaven next to Him. I still have the freewill to decide whether or not I want to continue to believe in Him or if I completely lose all faith in Him.
2007-01-27 08:55:49 · answer #2 · answered by lowkeyc 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are so misguided! The Lord made you and every living thing longs to know its purpose! a person is most happiest and fulfilled when they are doing what they have been gifted for! but see the real issue is though it may take some hard work and discipline to accomplish that purpose and people who are lazy slothful and quitters and basically moochers off the wealth of others want to sit around and do nothing! that sounds like you!
so God has a plan for you. U can read it in His word... His plans are to prosper you and give u an expected blessed end!
God shows u the path up to u to take it u have the choice whether to accept it or not he isnt forcing u to do anything
2007-01-27 04:41:36 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
I don't agree with anyone else that has posted a response to your question, but neither do I agree with your premise about double predestination. To me God doesn't predestine some pieces for one half of the puzzle, and the other for the other half. Every one of those pieces is broken and destined for the trash can, and has no worth whatsoever. Neither do any of those pieces will themselves into God's collection. God must therefore choose, out of those trillions of pieces, the ones He WILL save, effectually calling them unto himself through the work of the Holy Spirit, paid for by the death and resurrection of his Son. Sanctification reshapes them into "new" pieces, believers who are well aware of where they could have been had it not been for the Lord working in their lives. These regenerated pieces have a relationship with the Lord, and share that good news with all the broken pieces (we don't know who's who), but it's the Lord's collection, not ours, and we don't do the changing, we only celebrate as God continues to choose his own while we get to participate in that choosing.
Some condemned, some saved is hyper-Calvinism. All condemned, some saved is Calvinism.
2007-01-29 19:04:20 · answer #4 · answered by ccrider 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
What is the cosmic plan? Is that what is written in the stars? Are the curves that go in and out written on the tapestry in the sky? If you are honest you will admit that the occult has taken up as much of your study time as has the bible. Lucifer who is the father of lies teaches his followers that their lives are written in the stars, which is a lie. Is it to be believed? You are free to choose what you will fill your mind with and believe. If believing is what determines where we will end up for eternity wouldn’t you say that you’ve been free to choose what to study and let sway your thinking and your beliefs, whether it be the truth or lies?
2007-01-27 05:36:11 · answer #5 · answered by hisgloryisgreat 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I didn't read ur whole question, just the first sentence. The answer is simple, I believe god has no plans for anybody; you can make your own destiny. If god had a plan for us, we will lose the privilege of making choices and lose our free will. If we lost our free will, god will not have the right to send us to heaven or hell.
God has no plans for anybody.
2007-01-27 04:43:29 · answer #6 · answered by hamza 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I don't believe that. I believe we all have the opportunity to make a choice, to accept Jesus as our Savior or not. Just because God knows in advance who will be saved, it does not take away the opportunity. We all have a choice. Free will. There is a plan for all, but not all choose to be saved, if you do you will be accepted.
2007-01-27 04:37:52 · answer #7 · answered by Jason 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Yes God does have the perfect plan for my life. Someday I may be like the old widow woman who stayed in the temple and prayed but until then I work and do what work I can for the Lord.
2007-01-27 04:35:57 · answer #8 · answered by Godb4me 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I plan my life without God he is a party poop-per. The idea that God has a plan for everyone goes against the idea of freewil.
2007-01-27 04:46:48 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
God knows everything the past, the present and the future. He doesn't plan everybody's life. Only when a person willingly submits his/her life in God's hands, then God brings beauty into their life. Why your life is like the way it is now? because you dint let God decide your life. Give it in His hands and see. It will be a master piece.
2007-01-27 04:40:01 · answer #10 · answered by Brinda 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Yes He does, it is called the Bible.
Free will comes in when we choose to either live according to that plan, or we choose to dismiss it and live our own plan. JMHO
Free will is not taken from us just because we follow Christ, quite the contrary. Free will could actually be said to be, "when Christ allows us to choose any lifestyle we like", but He corrects us/punishes us, when we KNOW right from wrong and choose wrong of our own free will, and that choice is a sin. It is when we know to do right and do not do it.
2007-01-27 04:43:17 · answer #11 · answered by Jewel 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋