Will this baffle you pt.2?

Question

to the ones who said separation of church and state is the way, which I agree, people should just be free to do what they wish, school was founded by christians so if people dont want to pray dont pray then but dont butt in to those who do, why is it right for people to say that prayer and the bible is not allowed in schools, isnt that violating separation of church and state, especially since school was founded by christians. to those who want the source of the first school here.
http://historyeducationinfo.com/edu5.htm
is it that hard to see the good from real believers in christ, all those terrible things people always list are not from true believers in christ anyone can say i am a christian, that means nothing if it is against word of God. Slavery, murdering innocence, burning people. That is not from God but man.

Answer 1

Well, it is strange that when I was in school, these things were not an issue.
But I am of the opinion that if students can be evolutionists, gay, atheist, nationalist or whatever else, who is harmed by those that wish to pray?
Are people's emotions really so weak and intolerant towards those that pray , that they wish to restrict prayer?
Then they should also follow through and restrict absolutely every form of conduct that is not directly associated with learning.

The truth be told, I know for a fact that public schools are the dregs of the education system in the U.S.
I went to a private school from K-6.
When I entered the P.S. system, I was shocked to find out that the curriculum at the 7th grade level, was taught to us in the 4th and 5th grades. And was regurgitated year after year into high school.

Answer 2

You're missing the point. People of different faith or no faith are worried their kids are going to be forceably given a religious education the parent doesn't want them to have. How would you feel if books about Witchcraft, Judaism, Islam, Paganism, and Atheism were readily available for your child? As a Christian - you might be against it.

How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot and a Muslim teacher (fill in the religion of your choice) was teaching your child to pray to Allah (fill in the deity of your choice) ?

Just put the shoe on the other foot and you might understand where the concern is.

Answer 3

Wow they opened one school how does that make them masters of all publicly funded government

Answer 4

the old *not a true christian* excuse

Real Christians
One of the most frustrating aspects of conversing with Christians has to do with the definition of the term Christian itself. It's easy for anyone to point the finger at the history of Christianity and show its atrocities…the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Nazis… But it is equally easy for someone else to say, "They weren't True Christians."

Now just what do you say to that? (If you're smart, you say nothing and walk away. But I'm not always smart.)

It seems that every Christian has their own definition of what it means to be a Christian. Silly me, I always thought a Christian was one who worshipped Jesus Christ as his/her savior. But to listen to some people, there's far more to it than that. Now, they can't come to an agreement on what those things might be, but they all insist that anyone who doesn't fit their special little definition isn't a Christian. The bible itself isn't clear on the subject, either. But then, the bible is full of contradictory passages, so this should be no surprise.

Some examples of the modern Christian's perspectives... I know of no Christian who accepts that Hitler and the Nazis could possibly have been Christian, despite Hitler's many speeches and writings, despite his words to friends, and despite the vocal beliefs of many of his followers. Similarly, groups like the KKK "aren't Christian," either, even though they constantly refer to Jesus. Catholics? No, they're not True Christians, according to many Protestants. And vice versa.

I've been told that the behaviors of some "supposed" Christians aren't in keeping with the Scriptures, which teach forgiveness, love, and kindness, blah blah blah…

Well, the thing is, some biblical writings do teach such behavior. However, the "good book" is also full of actual examples of the opposite, and from "godly" men, too. Overall, it's a situation of "do as I say, not as I do." And we all know how well that works.

If one were to approach someone described as not being a "real" Christian, they'd insist that they are as "real" as they come. And in their minds, they probably are. So what point is really made by saying they aren't? It's simply a way to dismiss them, to write them off as being pretenders. But that doesn't change the fact that they are, whether one likes it or not, a representative of their professed beliefs. They may not be representative of the best aspects of said belief, but few people are, no matter the beliefs.

To my way of thinking, if you call yourself a Christian, and believe yourself to be a Christian, then it doesn't matter a bit if others think you're Christian or not. It's just a situation of some Christians not wanting to accept that Christians can be scum, just like anyone else.

Answer 5

If slavery, murdering innocence, and burning people are "not from God but Man", how do you explain the Bible being full of all three, not to mention the Salem witch trials? The Bible discusses slavery very specifically, and you can bet that the slave owners of the southern states could quote it, chapter and verse. On murdering innocence, or innocents, that's in there too, as is that "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" thing.

Why don't I want religion in my child's school? Because it is superstitious nonsense that has had devastatingly negative effects upon the world in which I live and the people in it, that's why.

Answer 6

for starters the website that you gave states that they started the first schools in the U.S. not the world so why not check your history lesson to learn something that as been around for more than 2,000 yrs. why not try to learn about the minoens and azurians. I'll bet they had schools of some sort and they weren't catholics.
And also your site says the Puritans not Christians which is a different belief system.

Answer 7

If I wanted my child to be, say, catholic, I'd send her to a catholic school. I wouldn't want her to be forced to participate in catholic things I don't believe in or want her to believe in. All religions should be taught in school so that kids can make up their own minds.
But public prayer should not be in schools because the other kids, teachers, etc. would probably discriminate against non-participants.During each prayer kids would have to publicly declare if they are christian or not by whether they participate.

Answer 8

Prayer is allowed in school.
Bibles are allowed in school.
Teacher lead prayer, or school organized prayer is not.
Schools handing out Bibles is not.
There are plenty of students, nation wide who talk to God before their test, even more so before mid-terms and finals.
If you want your child to learn about God, send them to Sunday school or teach them yourself. The Government should not be in business to teach religion to children nor to get them to pray.

Answer 9

But your Bible condones slavery - and it is the word of God, is it not?? The Bible also condones killing and burning people ("suffer not a witch to live").

Yup, real logic pal....

Hey, if you want to pray in school, thats fine with me. But you are NOT going to interrupt my child's time to STUDY with a prayer.

Answer 10

European history went through that cycle where the church and the state were one. If you weren't awake in your history class when that was covered, those weren't the best times.