its so hard to believe the police category is as pathetic as the military category!!..........................

Question

i asked a question awhile back, im going to ask it again, case scenario, this is a question for police officers only, if you were a police officer in the city of san diego, and you happen to be looking thru the fence at Marine Corps Recruit Depot, and you witness a drill instructor kicking a recruit in the butt or even choking him, i know u wouldnt have jurisdiction on a military base but would you either take the time to report it to the military police or, like most of the answers i recieved last time i asked this question, you would just simply smile and turn away? what is the difference between a street fight, which you being an officer will stop it, and how is it different from a marine recruit getting physically abused which is a totally illegal act that can bring serious charges on the drill instructor. please answer the questions first then give your opinions afterwards, thats the only way you will have a chance for a best answer

Answer 1

As an ex-soldier, I know that this kind of behavior is a violation of the USMJ (United States Military Justice) Code of Conduct. The military base falls under military jurisdiction. Civilian/police reports to military officials through the appropriate channels are taken seriously.

In the modern military, the conduct illustrated in these kinds of reports are not tolerated, accepted, or justified, and serious disciplinary action is quickly taken on all counts, even in the Marine Corps. A cop is no different than any other civilian in this cases, as both are obligated to report such abuses without consideration for the role of law enforcement officer status. Personally, I hold the cop to the higher standard because he is sworn to "serve and protect," but his legal obligations are none, because the conduct lies outside of the realm of laws which he is bound to enforce.

Now please enlighten me: Where does the pathetic issue come into this question? The only thing that I can see being pathetic is the idea that a drill instructor must resort to violence in his instruction methods. As Ayn Rand once said (paraphrased), morality (and thus reason) ends where the gun (the use of force) begins.

Answer 2

I'm not sure what you mean about pathetic, but I will answer your question the best I can.( I really don't care about the points) If I saw a DI giving a recruit a kick in the seat of the pants and it was obvious the intent was not to injure the recruit but to get him moving, I would not interfere. I don't agree with the choking part since I see no valid training value in cutting off a Soldiers oxygen. Again, If I believed the intent of the DI was to physically harm the recruit, as a civilian police officer I would have made a call to the Military Police and reported the incident. As a 20 year Military Police Veteran, I actually had a similar incident occur years ago and the NCO ( who was not a DI) was charged accordingly. NCO's are held to a higher standard and should behave that way. As NCO's, DI's have the toughest job of all, making Soldiers out of Civilians. To say some of these civilians just are not up to the challenge is an under statement. It's the DI's responsibility to weed these people out. Sometimes it takes thinking "outside the box" to motivate a recruit, and to be brutally honest, some DI's are not up to that thinking, the ones that can't, can be prone to resort to violence. I will say this though, these kinds of incidents are decreasing overall in the Military.

Answer 3

Not that I'm concerned about a "best answer" and I've not had the opportunity to see the question previously but here goes...

First, my jurisdiction is in Alabama, however, the "jurisdiction" should be the same.

You are correct as far as the civilian police and their authority on a military base. There are military jurisdictions which include "concurrent" and "exclussive" which allow or not allow for civilian police to interact.

Being prior military, I know that basic training is "unique" for every branch of the service and especially the marines.

My opinion, if I was concerned that an offense was taking place...I would as a minimum contact the military police with my concerns based upon the circumstances you've mentioned!

Then I would be certain to document my observations and follow up actions.

Doing this would certainly "CYA" should there be an issue down the road!

Answer 4

The Maestro is sweet. The worst I stated at MCRDPI (in case you do not recognize what it is, you've under no circumstances been to 'boot camp') became IPT or incentive actual preparation. it is a version on 'do push-united statesuntil i'm getting drained'. It under no circumstances lasted more desirable them 5 min, even even as it felt like hours. The commanding officer of our organization did carry an study even as one recruit claimed to have witnessed a 'blanket party'. because the alleged sufferer of the party, i am going to guarantee you it under no circumstances handed off.

Answer 5

As an ex-police officer I feel drill instructors need to throw a recruit an occasional beating so they get the point across and I know the recruit love the tuff love.

Answer 6

You've been whining about this shi*t for weeks now. Nobody cares, get over it.