This a two part question. How many people here believe in PHYSICALY correcting a dog? Why do others choose not to do it even when they know the dog needs it?
Honest and serious answers only please.
PS. I do not mean hitting a dog. I mean correcting a dog with a prong/choker or E collar.
2007-01-26 00:43:19 · 18 answers · asked by Anonymous in Pets ➔ Dogs
People are so afraid it will hurt them. I tell adopters all the time if it hurt when they pull the training collar than they will stop. If they don't like getting shocked when they bark then they will stop. I haven't found the choker to be useful for training. I will hook it to a regular collar to prevent a dog from pulling out of a collar.
I have martingales on all of my own dogs.
2007-01-26 00:59:33 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 3⤋
Of course! Many dogs are 'hard' dogs and to treat them like a furbaby is stupid and dangerous.
The PP crowd (incuding Petsmart) are doing a disservice to dog owners by teaching that every problem with every dog can be solved with the never say no and bribe with a treat methods.
I agree, a tone of voice and a water bottle are a correction, as is a 'look' for some dogs.
I also agree that some soft dogs do not do well with corrections. They are all individuals and should be treated as such, which is the problem I have with the PP people, and some of the correction only people, they think there is only one method and that it will work for all dogs. Most the PP people don't even think you should use the 'no' word, which is just plain ridiculous!
Melon - well don'tcha know you are suppose to stand around until your dog does something right??? LOL!!!
2007-01-26 11:20:54 · answer #2 · answered by whpptwmn 5 · 3⤊ 0⤋
I do and it is necessary sometimes. I do not correct while teaching but when my dogs have demonstrated several times that they know the exercise and they refuse, correction is administered accordingly and is followed with praise as soon as the dog does what is expected. Not all methods of correction or training works for all dogs so I use what works for the individual dog. I do not usually hit a dog unless there is aggression and that is corrected hard.
Now I can not tell you for sure why others are opposed to physical corrections but I have been told that if you are mean to your dog it will become aggressive. (YEAH I KNOW BS) I have tried to explain that it is completely opposite but sometimes explaining feels more like beating your head against a brick wall. Unfortunately, I think people really believe they can bribe and beg and it will work. It is because of places like petsmart and petco.
A while back I was in a petsmart watching a dog jumping up and pulling the owner. A little girl walked by and got scratched in the face by the dog so I went over to the owner to offer a suggestion, I told her to quit asking the dog to sit and make it (you know say sit and if it does not help it to do so). I was told that she did not use such harsh methods. I could not believe it but guess where she trained........ Petsmart no correction only bribe and beg!!!
2007-01-27 04:15:25 · answer #3 · answered by Shepherdgirl § 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Ask any hunter how they train their dogs at a distance and most everyone will tell you with an electric collar. If used properly they are fine. The problem I see with alot of ppl os that they think these types of collars will "trian" their dog. They really are more for confriming what they already know what they should be doing. I went to an obedience school where they used prong collars and my dog now is able to take the test to become a therapy dog (I know that their are other ways as well). Even Cesar did a whole episode on how to properly use a prong collar. My thinking is to each their own as long as the dog is safe and in control, but I'm sure I'll get a bunch of thumbs down anyway. Just my opinion.
2007-01-26 09:15:07 · answer #4 · answered by Elle 4 · 5⤊ 2⤋
I am for it. Sometimes a firm NO is just not enough. This is how dogs correct each other, so they respond well to it. BUT you must know how to do, otherwise it is useless and cruel (Like when I see people put a choke on their dog and let it keep pulling instead of giving a *quick* tug).
Some, ok, MOST people, want to treat there dogs just like little humans. what they don't realize is that dogs ARE NOT HUMAN!!!! They are DOGS. Dogs behave like dogs and ONLY understand corrections that OTHER dogs would give them. Also some people think that if they correct their "fur baby" (God I hate that term!) in any way, then they are somehow being cruel. Alas, they don't understand that dogs are animals that THRIVE on structure and routine, and NEED direction!!!
Stepping off my soapbox now, sorry!!
2007-01-28 08:11:38 · answer #5 · answered by Nurse Autumn Intactivist NFP 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I beleive that there is a place for physical correction. Some dogs/situations require it, some don't.
However, the longer I train and the more I learn, the less I have to resort to physical correction.
I recently got chewed out in Rally class because I gave my dog a pop with the collar. However, that single correction was effective because I almost never give one, it made an impression on her. Up to that point she had been "refusing" to sit. And it was not a case of she didn't understand or was confused or stressed, she was completely at ease and has been training with me for 11 years, so she knows perfectly well how to sit, she was just blowing me off.
2007-01-26 17:50:32 · answer #6 · answered by DaBasset - BYBs kill dogs 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I believe that the collars you mentioned are tools in training...not a solution. I use all of them. They are not meant as a "constant"...but a tool to help train.
Some choose not to use these tools for various reasons. Same reason some people choose not to spank their children. It depends on the person, and the dog. Some dogs don't respond well to these tools....either "shutting down" (complete submission with no action) or on the other end the will come up leash and bite, which makes the dog hate training. Again, it all depends on the dog.
THen you have people who do not know how to use these tools properly. Their dog is dragging them down the street wearing a prong collar....they use the e-collar on the highest setting, ruining the dog. Or with the choke, they end up crushing the dog's windpipe.
And finally, you have the people that believe their dog is "helpless" or "just a baby" and feel that these tools are cruel.
I'm sure you'll get extremely varying answers on this....I'm interested to see them.
2007-01-26 08:54:00 · answer #7 · answered by vomdeitrichgiants 3 · 5⤊ 3⤋
i am a dog expert that has had many dogs, and I'm completely on the side of physical correcting. without it, your dog won't ever listen! however, it doesn't need to happen for every little thing. giving firm tones of voice can also work well.
i think a lot of people don't choose to physically correct a dog b/c they think the dog will hate them. i think this is a ridiculous thought, especially b/c the owner MUST BE THE PACK LEADER.
2007-01-26 09:30:58 · answer #8 · answered by jilly babe 2 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Really depends on the level of training. I can easlly train a wonderful house pet without corrections. There isn't a way on earth to train a *winning* field trial dog without corrections.
Oh,, and a "spray bottle" IS A CORRECTION!!!
"Tone of voice" IS A CORRECTION
2007-01-26 09:21:15 · answer #9 · answered by tom l 6 · 6⤊ 0⤋
HI
They are fine just don't hurt them with it, I have a lot of dogs and I don't need to use them for all just a couple over zealous dogs that I can't control walking them. an E collar is used for behaviors such as chewing itself raw, but they have meds for that too.
LAmmy
2007-01-26 08:53:50 · answer #10 · answered by Clammy S 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋