Ok..so first I am Christian..and I love Jesus..now that that is clarified..Here is the question..I go to a church that is all about raising the standard....and anyway they believe that you must submit everything into leadership and well they will counsell you and generally you go with the advise they give you....If you go against that advise then well you are going against leadership...which is wrong......Anyway..I was in the bible school there and all things were not going peachy..my son became ill and I had to take the semester off hopefully returning the following semster...well off I met a man..on line we fell in love planned on meeting and he ask me to marry him ..if we met and all was still good...anyway I was told this was wrong and that I didn't submit and asked not to come back to school, as well my"friends" @ the church and leadership have discussed this without my knowledge till now...what should I do as a Christian, is it subitting or controll..there is more but no room...
2007-01-25 17:10:44 · 29 answers · asked by beans 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
by the way...when I said I think I will go to another church they got really defensive and almost mean...they compared me to an atheiest...and they are telling me my son shouldn't be raised in this type of enviroment...my house is not spotless and I have a cat....anyway they are threating to take him away on counsell from the church..no lie..this is what the church counsellor told them to do..this is the same lady who told me at 28 I can't date unless I submitt it to them first....so ya
2007-01-25 17:14:49 · update #1
and i realize I am not perfect...no one is but Jesus...but did He not teach let those with out sin cast the first stone....I just feel they have a bit of a control issue...what do you think?
2007-01-25 17:17:06 · update #2
oh Beans! that ain't a church. it's a frigging cult! run away! run away! get away from those people! no one has the right to tell you what to do with your private life and try to interfere with you and your child. they threaten you, threaten your child. how dare they!
Beans, get away from them. you know what's best for yourself and your child and even if you get a little scared sometimes you have your God to help you out. if you want to marry your on line beloved don't let those busybody cultists stand in your way. they just want to keep you alone and vulnerable and under their control.
you seem like a real sweet person, Beans. maybe too sweet. maybe too eager to please and those nasty people are trying to take advantage of you, using your love of God as a manipulation tool.
PS. just so you know... i'm not Christian but i have read your posts here and have come to believe that you're an honestly good person. PLEASE! get out of that cult. find truly loving felloweship elsewhere.
2007-01-25 17:33:42 · answer #1 · answered by nebtet 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Based on your description, this church is very controlling and interfering in your personal life. A good Christian church will show true concern for the lives of individual members and may even advise, counsel or instruct an individual based on Biblical teaching. It may seek to correct behavior that is contrary to Biblical teaching, but do it with love and plain Scriptural support for their position. This is appropriate for a good Christian church.
But the actions taken by your Church leadership as described by your story, goes beyond the jurisdiction of their duties. Though it is within a congregation's right to cast out an unrepentent sinner, they need to show from a Biblical perspective just how what you did or plan to do is wrong. If they can't, they are out of line and projecting their personal biases upon your situation.
However, you must be certain of their intentions. Be sure you are listening objectively with a desire to please God, not them. Insist to them that they explain how your plans conflict with Biblical teaching. If they can't do this in a manner that is easy for you to understand, look for another church and ask the pastor if he/she will guide you in your situation. You may even want to consult with another after that. Compare what you have been told and study those parts of the Bible that they have suggested applies to your situation. In the end, it will be your decision as to whether or not you have acted in a manner pleasing to God, or at least in a manner that won't be displeasing to Him. It will also be up to you to stay with this church or seek another depending on the results. Above all, pray intently and take some quiet time to still yourself and listen. Good luck and God bless you.
2007-01-26 01:32:15 · answer #2 · answered by Arthur C 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋
One doesn't have to be a Christian to answer this question or to see that you are mixed up with a group that only wants to run your life.... They have no right in doing that. It isn't very "Christ-like," is it?
Rely on yourself and be wise in your decisions. Use your power to reason things out and avoid your desires to emotionally assume your choices. The true path to take is the path that is best seen through your own eyes. Look long and look carefully before you choose your next step.
I'm an Atheist, I believe there is no god, but this is not a question of god, is it? This is a "trial" for you to solve for your own sake and for the sake of you child.
Don't pray for an answer - decide on one rationally.
This is essentially the same advice you've been given by everyone else - "Run away from that church. Don't ask for their advice on the matter - just do it." ... I can't agree more.
Good luck.
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2007-01-26 01:35:15 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
this doesnt sound like Gods church,God is love I have no idea what these people think they are doing but that is one of the reasons i am spiritual and not religious(religions are man made)its beyond me how these people can try to run your life i suggest you leave that place and find a real gathering of Gods people that sounds more like a dominating cult rather than a gathering to hear His word thats the first thing i would do /second if i loved this man i would do whats in my heart ask God He will show you/ third if necessary i would find an attorney and let them know that law suits for slander still exist and my child would be going nowhere
2007-01-26 01:30:31 · answer #4 · answered by loveChrist 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
TO ME YOU HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTION leave the church and never look back to me and understand i am not tearing them down or nothing but who do the think they are the only authority you need to submit to is the authority of CHRIST plain and simple they have no rights and no power to do the things that you are describing here walk away and shake the dust from your feet get into a BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCH WERE YOU CAN GROW AND BECOME A MATURE CHRIST FOLLOWER
2007-01-26 01:22:06 · answer #5 · answered by THE WAR WRENCH 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Listen up I am a Christian and I am telling you to GET OUT of that Church NOW! Do not discuss it with anyone. Just leave!
Pray for God's guidance to find a different Church that is not like this one at all!
I will be praying for you!
2007-01-26 01:19:34 · answer #6 · answered by zoril 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
do not bother about what the others say or what the church says as long as the only reason for your marriage is love. listen to your heart and sit quietly alone and talk to God regarding this problem. He will surely help you and talk to you. Do not marry for any reason other than true love. it would be better to suffer alone than to be in a relationship where you don't feel complete . you and your partner should truly and strongly be in love to face all the questions put on you .God be with you.
2007-01-26 01:27:03 · answer #7 · answered by miriam 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Get out of that Church. Fast. Find yourself a traditional denomination like the Anglicans, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, or Eastern Orthodox.
2007-01-26 01:16:07 · answer #8 · answered by NONAME 7 · 5⤊ 0⤋
It's definitely control. Just because a group of people come together to talk about the Lord doesn't mean they actually have a relationship with Him. Let the peace of God rule in your heart not these people.
2007-01-26 01:21:35 · answer #9 · answered by TLA 1 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Jesus is the leader, we should submit ourselves to Him and His word. If you do not find these rules in the scriptures you may need to dust your feet and go where they teach the word..The Bible and that is all. Read St John. Truly give it to Him and. Walk in Faith. We do live by a higher standard. God's standard not mans. I pray our Almighty God will bring you the answers you truly seek. He is truth. He is love. He is life..
2007-01-26 01:22:15 · answer #10 · answered by bit.country 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋