Or do they just say that cuase they dont want to humble themelves and admit their wrong?
Mark 8:35-For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
1 Corinthians 3:18-Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
2007-01-25 11:23:46 · 26 answers · asked by Maurice H 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Somebody grab a soapbox! lmao
2007-01-25 11:29:43 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 9⤊ 0⤋
Maurice, first, we talked about not quoting your bible for non-christians.
Second: people who understand both places are imaginary don't think they'll end up in either.
Just for you, here is Pascal's Wager again:
"If god exists, it's infinitely better to believe, since you get heaven instead of hell for eternity. If he doesn't, it doesn't matter since you're dead anyway. So overall it's better to believe"
This is, of course, false.
Some of the problems with the argument:
* The implied assumption that god may exist (with a 50% probability, no less!)
* The assumption that there is an afterlife with a heaven and hell
* The assumption that the god cares about belief in him/her above all else
* The assumption that if you believe in a god, it will definitely be the same god that actually exists.
* The assumption that you lose nothing if it's false. You have lost a great deal, from time praying to a nonexistent entity (somebody mentioned just today praying several hours a day!!!) to morality (your god may ask you to hurt other people) and much more besides.
* The assumption that people can believe in something simply because it benefits them. Would you believe goblins exist for twenty bucks? Why not?
* The assumption that any god won't see through the "believing just to get into heaven" ploy.
For more:
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/wager.html
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/wager.html
2007-01-25 11:33:05 · answer #2 · answered by eldad9 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I believe that the kingdom of heaven is within, & it is up to us to create heaven on earth. God doesn't reward or punish based on our beliefs. No one would provide mental anguish quite like the torture or hell that we might create for ourselves. Death might consist of a very long rest & self-examination or maybe even anguish, whichever one might go through. It might be a bit longer for someone like Hitler. Yet each of us has played a role on the stage of life. Ultimately, we could enjoy ourselves, being at ease among other spirits, unconcerned with the physical world. In that sense, we might all be in heaven on that plane of existence. This, of course, is all conjecture, based on what has been said & written by supposedly wise folks, New Agers, psychics, & those who have gone through near-death experiences, etc. I can't say for a fact how much of it is true. Nevertheless, I just don't believe the reasonableness or even the beauty of the heaven & hell described in the Bible, nor do I buy into the rejection of God & spirit like the atheists do. I'm just not buying into either one; in fact, I'm absolutely rejecting these extremes, & I sure can't believe I'm going to burn for all eternity for my beliefs. After all, I'm such a sweet person, heart & soul. Wasn't that a piano tune, "Heart and Soul," that many of us played as a duet when we were kids? How sweet it is.
2016-05-23 23:59:27 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Well, with reasoning, evidence, and crystal-clear presentation like that, it's really hard to refute your argument.
I wonder what it would be like to try to think and argue with a head full of oatmeal. I wonder if I'd make arrogant posts, or if I'd know enough to realize that I wasn't really able to keep up with others, and be a little more polite. If it took me ten minutes to put together two ideas, and I still couldn't express them clearly, would I go online and insult my superiors? Or would I just give up, go home, and watch TV?
What if I were dense enough to think that just because I say something is true, it must be true? Would I troll Internet fora? How would I respond when it turned out that everyone there was brighter than me and that the argument that had seemed so keenly insightful when it was slowly churning around inside my head was quickly revealed to be just childish inane babbling?
2007-01-25 11:34:26 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Aside from not being able to use the English language too well, you don't seem to understand that we atheists do not believe in ANYTHING connected with the myth of religion.
Since there is no god, there is also no heaven or hell. Thus, your question is ... based on a lack of understanding.
2007-01-25 11:30:46 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 7⤊ 0⤋
If I believed that heaven and hell existed, I would almost certainly care about where I think I'd be headed. But I don't believe in either of them, so I don't.
2007-01-25 11:33:04 · answer #6 · answered by . 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Why anyone would want to take that comfort from anyone is beyond me. It seems kind of vindictive, but maybe that is not their intent. Why would they care if people are "ignorant or uninformed" on the matter and want to "educate" them? That's about what their responses boil down to when they want to be nice.
2007-01-25 11:31:28 · answer #7 · answered by Nels 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I totally care about the weather-it can make the difference if my day is totally hell or heaven
2007-01-25 11:32:02 · answer #8 · answered by One Trick Pony 1 · 3⤊ 0⤋
I do not believe in Heaven or for that matter Hell. So no I do not place any concern in either.
2007-01-25 11:36:42 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
I think the working to make a positive impact on our fellow human beings is more important than worrying about what will happen after we die.
2007-01-25 11:30:29 · answer #10 · answered by Psyleet 3 · 5⤊ 0⤋
If we believed in Hell, then we'd probably care. Do you not care that you are going to be reincarnated into a three toed sloth? Why aren't you? Probably because you don't believe in reincarnation.
2007-01-25 11:31:41 · answer #11 · answered by Existence 3 · 6⤊ 0⤋