SAM T QUESTION: ATHEISTS QUESTION 3. The earth is so well built. Proof of God?

Question

I highly recommend you read all of my previous 3 questions if you are an atheist so you don't make yourself look bad with a dumb answer.

Continuing on my information from last time:
The atmosphere maintains earth at a livable climate, and leaves the cold from space out.
Gravity is strong enough to hold our atmosphere in, but not strong enough to not let living organisms move.
Water evaporates, freezes and is liquid in the varying temperatures of earth.
Water is necessary for all living things to get nutrients.
Unlike other planets water is in abundance here on earth.
Water has an incredible process, as when it gets cold it sinks to the bottom, but when it freezes it floats back up.
The cap of ice avoids water under it freezing an allows fish to survive.
If water did not go up after freezing, eventually the earth would be a freezing planet that would not be suitable for life.

Earth is well-built, did it all happen randomly?

More questions later.

Answer 1

Why are there 7 other planets in our solar system, two of which are too hot, one of which is too cold, and four without a solid surface suitable for life? Almost as if there was a whole random string of them, and ours just happened to be at the right range...

Water is not unique to our planet. Several of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn are coated in ice, and presumably would have been oceanic planets if they were closer. Mars has polar ice caps and permafrost, and probably had oceans at one time.

Do you get it now?

Answer 2

Well, lets just start with all the statements that are wrong up there.

1. Unlike other planets water is in abundance here on earth.
First off, Earth is not the only planet with an abundance of water. Ever heard of Triton? It has a solid ice 'crust' with miles of liquid water under it. Also there is evidence that there was water on Mars.

2.The atmosphere maintains earth at a livable climate, and leaves the cold from space out.
Well, Venus does the same thing. Venus is very warm and keeps the cold out right? Its just a matter of the millions of miles closer to the sun it is. Venus' temp is 703 degrees day and night so obviously we cant live there.

3.Gravity is strong enough to hold our atmosphere in, but not strong enough to not let living organisms move.
This, doesn't make sense at all.

More humiliation later.

Answer 3

No, nothing is random. The world is not built around it inhabitants, the inhabitants have adapted around the earth. If the conditions of the earth weren't as they are, we will not have life, or the same kind of life that exists today. Well what are the chances of a planet having inhabitable conditions? Maybe 100 billion to 1. So what? There are billions and billions of solar systems, enough to easily satisfy the statistic. Nothing is random, we live in a universe that is determined by cause and effect. No effect is attained without a cause. If you could calculate every single variable in the universe there will be a predictable "effect". The universe is governed by these universal laws and constants that do not change. Looking at things from this perspective the world around us does not seem as mysterious. Take economics for example. The way everything is tightly intertwined and perfectly set in its place makes it seem like higher entity is controlling economics, but this is simply called the invisible hand where the wants and needs of individuals as a whole dictates what goes on. Simply said, if the conditions on earth were different, we will not exist. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

Answer 4

Your premise is faulty. If life is evolved to exist in the conditions present on Earth, it is not surprising that the conditions on Earth suit the life that lives on it.

The atmosphere maintains Earth at a livable climate - for us. Because we live in that climate.

Gravity is not strong enough to immobilize us because we are adapted to move in that gravity field. Earth's gravity is quite sufficiently strong enough to prevent whales or large fish from moving when they beach themselves.

There are vast regions of the Earth which are completely uninhabitable to humans. We cannot breathe water, and over 70% of the Earth's surface is covered in the stuff. That's not to even consider the temperatures and pressures encountered in deep water or within the Earth.

Even on the continents, there are huge tracts of land that we cannot survive in without technological adaptations (i.e. clothing, shelter), or remain impassable to us. If the world was indeed designed for us, it is a pretty poor design. Imagine a car that kills you if you sit in the front or back seat too long, or drowns you if you move too far to either side. That wouldn't be called a well designed car.

The unusual properties of water are indeed remarkable, and the fact that Earth happens to right at the triple-point of water may have contributed greatly to the development and evolution of life on the planet.

We haven't yet found any other planets where these conditions have been repeated, but we don't really have a large comparison sample yet either. Perhaps someday we'll find another watery planet, and whether or not there's life on it will be an interesting discovery.

Answer 5

The the idea that life arouse on a planet (among billions) that is adaquately situated to promote life is a miracle?

A miracle would be life on Mercury, or the surface of the sun. Life on a planet perfectly situated to promote life is simply a statistical probability.

It is the anthropic principle. The reason why we can ask "Why is there life here" is because it is a place that allows life to live. There are likely billions of other planets that don't have life, which is exactly what one would expect if it is indeed a rare event of having a similarly situated planet.

So while the odds of having such a planet may be long, there obviously is at least one example (earth). We happen to be on this earth because, well, as thinking beings we couldn't possible have arisen in any other enviroment except one close to ours. Your argument defied logic and reasonable assumptions about where and how live could emerge.

By the way, water (and other chemicals) act the same wherever they are in the universe. The earth doesn't imbue any special properties to water.

Answer 6

You are using very poor logic skills here. You point to whatever random thing you can find and say that is proof of god. However, it is not proof. There is no evidence that a god did any of the things you talk about. This actually shows a bit of desparation on your part.

You are using backwards reasoning. You want to prove that there is a god but you have no proof. So you go to find your proof. You pick something out and say, "ok, how can I prove god made this?" You say "It seems well ordered. Therefore god must have made it." In reality, that is not proof that god made it.

Something else, you said in one of your previous posts that someone should go an buy a telescope so they can look in the sky and see that there are no other planets with conditions as good as what earth has. Do you not know that we are just beginning to find planets outside our solar system and those found are pretty much large balls of gas. We do not have the technology to find the smaller planets and know what the conditions are like there. Plus, the universe is a really big place and we have barely started looking. In any event even the best telescope from the finest store cannot see any of these. You might want to read up a bit about science before you try to play like you are an expert in it.

If god is so perfect and able to make well designed stuff, then how come he cannot write a book that makes sense?

Answer 7

If I acknowledge that there is a possibility that you are right, can you acknowledge that you might have it backwards?

Can you at least accept the possibility that the earth was not designed by a divine being to support "life" as we know it, but that the life that thrives on the earth does so because it is the type and kind of life that is suited to the earth?

It seems to me that there is room in the world for different points of view, including yours although it differs from mine. Wouldn't the world would be really boring if everyone had the exact same point of view. What would we discuss. So what is the big deal if someone disagrees with you? I ask the same question to some of those who responded to your question rather negatively.

Answer 8

Despite how "well built" you claim the earth to be, this is not evidence that a god exists. The concept of a god is not really an explanation for anything since ultimately, once cannot explain a god. If I tell you that the earth was made by a magical creature that can do anything and knows everything and is too magnificent and complicated to describe with words I'd seem crazy. Why then do you offer God as an explanation for anything?

Answer 9

I read your other questions and I think I'll answer the same way I was going to in the beginning. No that's not proof of GOD. Were one so inclined one could say that's proof that the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy is correct and that we should be worshiping mice. I don't think I'll go along with that trend either.
PS- "I highly recommend you read all of my previous 3 questions if you are an atheist so you don't make yourself look bad with a dumb answer." Whatev dude. I know now that you feel you have a highly superior intellect but seriously you are obviously no Stephen Hawkings. Step down from your Mensa pedestal

Answer 10

The Earth is well built??? Since when? Life is much more diverse than once thought, and can exist and thrive in the harshest of places.

-Life CAN exist on planets with only frozen water and probably does. People simply say that the Earth is perfect for life...but no one has even examined other planets closely!!! There is a distinct probability that microbial life once existed on Mars, and an even greater probability that life exists on Europa.

-Humanity does not even have a complete definition for what constitutes life!!!!! Life may not necessarily need oxygen or water to thrive! Some microbes actually live off of the metals in rock formations