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I have to do a paper on Religious Displays, whether they should be allowed or not, and i already know my side i just need facts and more ideas to back it up. So if you agree with me and have some facts about the subject please answer!!

2007-01-24 14:05:06 · 11 answers · asked by flutegirl2_alex@sbcglobal.net 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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first of all... i play flute too. second of all... i agree with you. third of all... here is my answer...

The original intent of america was obviously founded upon Christian principles. This is obvious to anyone who has ever read ANY primary documents. If you have not, lets review.

For starters, there is the Magna Carta, or the Great Charter, formed in 1215. The beginning portion of the charter is about the freedom of the english church. in this document, the idea of trial by peers, etc, comes into play.

Next, is the English Bill of Rights, formed in 1689. Basically, it just says what England SHOULD have been doing. SOme things include that they (royal cliche) should not have interefered with the law, by making it sovereign over the people to establish his courts and basically be a one man show. it spoke about taxes, king limitations, for PROTESTANTS to have arms for defense, election of members, speech in parliament, protection from cruel and unusal punnishments, etc.

The Royal Proclamation on North America, Oct 7 1763 organized Britains vast new North American empire, and stabilized relations within North American Indians through regulation of trade, settlement, and land purchases on western frontier. blah blah blah... im getting there, i promise.

James Otis, in The Rights of the British COlonies Asserted and Proved, 1763, asserts that rights are not derived from human institutions, but from the nature and from God. Thus, government does not exist to please monarchs, but to promote the good of the entire society. One thing that I really like, is this quote from him. "I think it has an everlasting foundation in the unchangeable will of GOD, the author of nature, whose laws never vary." He also talks about how it is impossible for one man to live alone, and yet how it is impossible for two to live alone ungoverned. He also says "There can be no prescrioption old enough to supersede the law of nature and the grant of GOD Almight, who has given to all men a natural right to be free, and they have it ordinarily in their power to make t hemselves so if they please..." Plus, this documents proves that our forefathers were NOT racist bastards. it says. "The colonists are by the law of nature freeborn, as indeeed all men are, white or black." it also speaks bout property. "I say men, for in a state of nature no man can take my property from me without my consent : if he does, he deprives me of my liberty." He goes on to say "The sum of my argument is: that civil government is of God; that the administrators of it were originally the whole people..." But, i also want to point this out, he says that the king of england is their king (of america.) "His Majesty GEORGE III is rightful king..." America did not want to separate from england. they were basically forced to, through a long process.

The Declaration of Independence. July 4 1776. First of all... let me give you a backdrop of the signers, and the price they paid. five signers were captured by the british as traitors. at least a dozen of the 65 had their homes ransacked and burned. two lost their sons in the continental army. another had two sons captured in the continental army. anouther had two sons captured. several took part in various battles of the american revolution, and many suffered wounds or other physical hardhips. what kind of men were they? 25 were lawyers or jurists. eleven wer merchants. nine were farmers or large plantations owners. these were men of means and education. yet they signed the declaration of independ, knowing full well that the penalty could be death if they were captured. when these courageous men signed, they pledged their lives, and fortunesand their sacred honor to the cause of freedom and indepenence. richard stockton retured to new jersey in the fall of 1776 to find the state overrun by the enemy. he removed hi swife to safety but was himself captured. his home, his fine library, and his writings were all destroyed. stockton was so badly treated in prison that his health was ruined, and he died before the war's end. carter braxton was a wealthy planter and trader. one by one his ships were captured by the british navy. he loaned a large sum of money to the american cause; it was never paid back. he was forced to sell his plantations and mortgage his other properties to pay his debts. thomas mckean was so hounded by the brits that he had to move his family almost constantly. he served in the continental congress without pay, and kept his family in hiding. vandals or soldiers or both looted the properties of ellery, clymer, hall, heyward middleton, harrison, hopkinson, and livingston. at the battle of yorktown, thomas nelson jr noted that the british general cornwallis had tane over the family home for his headquarters. nelson urged general washington to open fire on his own home. this was done, and the home destroyed. nelson later died bankrupt. francis lewis also had his home and properties destroyed. the enemy jailed his wife for two months, and that and other hardships from the war so affected her health that she died only two years later. honest john hart was driven from his wiffe's bedside when she was near death. their thirteen children fled for their lives. harts fielsds and his grist mill were laid waste. while eluding capture, he never knew where his bed would be the next night. he often slept in forests and caves. when he returend home, he found that his wife had died, and his children were gone. thats just some. anyway... it talks about multiple very interesting things. i highly recommend reading it. it is written almost like a song.

There were the intolerable acts, but i will babble just as i did above. there was the declaration of colonial rights: resolutsion of the first continental congress, oct 14, 1774, sullivan. He spoke of how we were being deprived of the right to a jury trial, and that armies were being held at times of peace (both bad things). People in america were also being taken to england to be prosecuted. they had to pay to get over there, be charged by enlish, and then more than likely stay there in jail. OK.... you know that "life, liberty and pursuit of happyness?" that pursuit of happyness... that people think means that the american forefathers wanted people to be freaking gay!!!! no!!!! pursuit of happyness meant the right to own land. it meant life liberty and property. (mentioned here). The americans lands were being taken from them. but dont worry, its happening again.


OK!!! Now.. this is what happened, ok? there was the Avalon Project. this is where our founding fathers read about 15000 different documents to try to decide which type of government to make america. there were 3154 different direct quotes found and pulled out of the 15000 documents. among these quotes, (these are the people that said them)... Charles montesquieu - he stated about 8.3 percent of the quotes. he was a french attourney, and wrote a book called spirit of laws. it was later used as a model for our constitution. he argues longevity and stability's importance, and depending on the foundation of unchanging supereme laws, or a higher law, in government, the source of the higher law is in the Christian religion. it is defended separated, yet coordinating powers." - Jeremiah 17"9. another person, william blackstone, made 7.9 percent. he was an english judge, a law professor, and wrote commentaries on the laws of england. he believed that the laws of nature and natures God were the higher laws. that these laws applied to everyone, at every time, and when violated, people should revolt all human laws (basically, when we are not getting our God-given rights, we should fight for them). this is found only in Scripture. human laws cannot contradict the rules of God, or in violation of laws of nature and nature's God. God is the source of all laws. John Lock made 2.9 percent of the quotes. he was a british philosopher and an author. he wrote two treaties of government. he believed in asocial contract and social agreement. he said that p[eople have to give up certain freedons in order to get freedoms, that it protects life, liberty, and property. how much control does the government have? people give it the power, by giving up these certain freedoms. successful government is built on principles of the laws of nature. there are also 1506 scriptural quotes. on.. lastyl, david hume made 2.7 percent of quotes. he was a brisish philosopher, and an author, writing treaties of human nature. he gave a nonbiblical approach to government and expected christians to become his enemies. he was used as a bad example, something america should stay away from. Samuel Puffendorf made 1.3 percent of the quotes, and wrote of the law of nature and nations. his foundation of government was god and providence. he believed if civil law violates God's law, men were obligated to follow God's law. oh... the Bible was used as 34 percent of the quotes. forgot to mention that one!

Yes, the founding fathers knew what they were doing. so stop trying to change it.

THe 10 commandments should be allowed because if they arnt, we are slaves . our rights are being removed. im sorry, if you are offended, tough. that is what america was founded on. not only that, but that koran thing? THomas JEffersons Karan (someone got sworn in on the Karan!) Thomas Jefferson was traveling in the middle east to study various religions and governmental organizations to deem which one woul dbe best for america. he was not muslim.
If you need any more help, feel free to email me. i feel strongly on this subject, and can give you links to all of my sources. i hope this helps.

2007-01-24 14:55:17 · answer #1 · answered by ictoagsnstii 2 · 1 1

Why would a Christian care about displaying the 10 Commandments? Many misunderstand this point, but that law is no longer in effect.

Ephesians 2:15 Through his body on the cross, Christ put an end to the LAW WITH ALL ITS COMMANDS AND RULES. He wanted to create one new group of people out of the two. He wanted to make peace between them.

Colossians 2:14 He wiped out the written Law with its rules. The Law was against us. It opposed us. He took it away and nailed it to the cross.

Galatians 2:16 ...No one can be made right with God by obeying the law.

Galatians 2:21 ...What if a person could become right with God by obeying the law? Then Christ died for nothing!

Galatians 5:4 Some of you are trying to be made right with God by obeying the law. You have been separated from Christ. You have fallen away from God’s grace... The ONLY verse that talks about falling from grace, and they did it by trying to follow the law!

Jesus said he didn’t come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. (Matt 5:17) The effect was the same. Once fulfilled it was no longer in effect. The very next verse, Matthew 5:18, looks forward to the time when the law would be set aside. "...Not even the smallest stroke of a pen will disappear from the Law UNTIL EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED."

On the cross, Jesus' last recorded saying, "It is finished," is an important milestone. Because of Jesus life, Satan had been defeated. The law was finished and would no longer stand between God and mankind.

The 10 commandments along with the rest of the law ("commands and rules" from Ephesians 2:15) were "set aside" when they were fulfilled or completed at Jesus' resurrection. We are no longer bound by that law.

2007-01-24 14:14:54 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

DID YOU KNOW that your question is too darned long? DID YOU KNOW that the first Amendment to the US Constitution reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." DID YOU KNOW that telling 14% of the population to sit down and shut up while you shove your personal religious belief down their throats might be seen as restricting the free practice of THEIR faith? DID YOU KNOW that requiring an atheist to recite a pledge that mentions God would be respecting an establishement of religion? DID YOU KNOW that, while there are indeed many indicators that ours is a predominantly Christian nation, most of us are tolerant people and don't think it's necessary to wave our faith in the faces of people who believe otherwise? The Constitution was not written, nor was the US government created, in order to give you a protected platform from which to evangelize. So, let me put it to you in ways that you might be able to grasp. If this nation were 86% atheist, would YOU recite a pledge that said "One nation, denying the existence of god?" Would you want your kids exposed to it every day? Would you want the 10 Reasons God Doesn't Exist displayed in every classroom? If you can't see this question from the other side, maybe YOU need to sit down and shut up until you can.

2016-03-29 01:11:20 · answer #3 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Yes....they should be allowed. They are the basis of all the moral good that we believe in. We advocate freedom OF religion -- not freedom FROM religion.

No-one -- but NO-ONE complains that the Post Office issues Madonna & Child stamps at Christmas yet people crab when they see Islamic script on them....why?

I am not offended to the see The Decalog (as the 10 Commandments are rightfully called) on the wall of any municipal building.

2007-01-24 14:41:04 · answer #4 · answered by The Carmelite 6 · 0 1

the 10 commandments are a diecent base for living together with other humans.

however i think that they should not be posted in these buildings unless you are going to post the rules of all religions. and
when holding trial find a true jury of a person's peers. i.e. everyone on the jury from that person's respective religion. and then judge them based on the moral codes of their specific religion.

that would be insane..and near to impossible.

so a courthouse is a place for the Law of Man. post the constitution. it gives you freedom to believe in the 10 commandments, but also grants you protection from being prosecuted by them.

"render unto Cesar what is Cesar's and what is God's unto God."

God (Gods)will Judge us in Heaven (nirvana), let the law of man judge us here.

2007-01-24 14:19:54 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Mainly because it is unconstitutional and it's endorsing a religion. We are supposed to have separation of church and state. America isn't a theocracy.

How would Christians feel if I started a movement to put the Nine Noble Virtues in court rooms and such? Not too happy I expect.

2007-01-24 14:16:03 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

Our founding Fathers were not all Christians and many didn't believe in god, use that and you may as well forfeit

I do have facts, not one will agree with you though

2007-01-24 14:14:39 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2 2

Helps make sure people can count to 10. Theat's really all i can come up with.

2007-01-24 14:25:10 · answer #8 · answered by mullah robertson 4 · 1 1

They shouldn't.

Separation of church and state. The founding fathers knew what they were doing.

2007-01-24 14:15:37 · answer #9 · answered by Voodoid 7 · 3 0

Why should politicans be sworn in on a Bible or Qur'an.

2007-01-24 14:10:57 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

our soceity bases these commandmants on moral life.

our forefathers based our moral living on these commandments and how people should live. they should not kill, steal, and should honor your parents.

2007-01-24 14:11:32 · answer #11 · answered by sanctusreal77 3 · 0 2

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