Catholic run adoption agencies and Gay parents....?

Question

The Catholic church are demanding to be exempt from new gay rights laws in regard to adoption. Should they be granted this exemption? They're threatening to close down adoption agencies they run rather than adopt out children to gay couples! and whats more the government is thinking of giving in to their bigotry . How do you feel about this? i personally think its disgusting.

So many children in the world need loving parents, who are we to say a gay man or woman couldn't give a child as much love as a straight man or woman? its ridicuolus..

If so much is against their beliefs..gay couples, unmarried couples, those who use contraception, etc..maybe they shouldn't be allowed to run adoption agencies at all! All of the above is against their beliefs but its fine for their priests n bishops to sexually abuse children? bigots and hypocrites all of them.

Answer 1

+ Homosexuality +

The Catholic Church believes there is nothing sinful about being homosexual. But homosexuals like all unmarried people are called to celibacy.

Unmarried cohabiting couples, whether heterosexual or homosexual, are living in sin.

+ Adoptions +

The issue at hand is that Catholic adoption agencies in the England and Wales handle about one-third of all private adoptions.

The Catholic Church regularly matches orphans with married (heterosexual) couples. People who are living as our religion believes God intended.

There is a new law taking effect in April that says that the adoption agencies will have to place children with homosexual couples.

Catholics believe that not only it is not in the best interest of the child to place them in an environment of immorality and sin that if they follow the law then they themselves will be sinning in the process.

Catholic doctors are not forced to perform abortions. Catholic prison workers are not forced to execute prisoners. Catholics are not forced to commit what they believe to be sinful acts in any other part of society.

What happened to freedom of religion?

+ With love in Christ.

Answer 2

It depends. Do the birth parents want their child to be raised by a certain faith or belief system? Then I think they should be able to choose the parents their child goes to. But if the birth parents don't care, then for an outside party, who is more interested in propagating their agenda, than interested in the child's welfare, I don't believe that's right. So are these agencies made for birth parents who are seeking a particular type of adoptive parents or not? That would make me decide whether or not it's fair. If it just serves as Catholic birth mothers who want Catholic adoptive parents, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I think government adoption agencies don't have the right to discriminate, but I think private ones, under certain circumstances can. Edit: Ah see, the poster below me said that they were receiving government funding, if you receive taxpayer dollars to fund your agency, you have to follow government anti-discrimination rules.

Answer 3

For Catholics to give children to Gay couples goes against there moral beliefs you might not agree with Christian morality and may say its "disgusting" but many say its wrong to put children in a Gay household some who are not even religious believe this.The state in my view is going to far with its liberal agenda by denying people with religious beliefs a right to choose on such a sensitive matter this will also include private B&Bs accepting Gay Couples . The government should back down and respect personal choice in the area of faith and private premises which is not the same as state public sevices like the NHS etc which is already respects equal access.

Answer 4

I say let the Catholic Church close it's adoption agencies. And then replaces them with some that place the child first. I don't care if you are pro or anti the legislation, it is better for a child to be in a family unit (whether with a man and a woman, two men or two women) than in state care.

Either they can move with the times and give up their despicable views or they can be sidelined as they deserve.

Answer 5

don't just blame the catholics. The Jews and mohommedans and nearly all the other mainstream branches of xtianity agree - homosexuality is an abomination!
It's actually one of the only things they all agree on.

From the other point of view - does anybody bother to think of the children? I for one as a teenager would have been ashamed to have to admit to having 2 "fathers" or "mothers". Who wants to admit that their "parents" are sexual perverts? I'd have left home at the earliest possible age and never spoken to (or had any contact with) either of them ever again. just think of the bullying and hatred that would be caused in school. Is it fair to put children through this particularly subtle torture?
In the long run, it's no different from saying that a childs parents are both paedophiles - one perversion is much like another.

Answer 6

Links are included below for those who care to READ for themselves and analyse like logical, thinking, responsible human beings instead of swallowing the media fodder whole.

The Cardinal is not making any threat or declaring an ultimatum. He is simply outlining to government the very probable outcome of seeking to enforce the Equality Act as is, with specific regerence to the issue of gay couples seeking adoptions from Catholic-allied agencies. The agencies are part of the CVAA. They rely on DONATIONS and FUNDING. The funding comes from the Local Authorities. Donations come from the congregation, who, as it happens are 'putting their money where their mouths are' and supporting community institutions allied to something they very strongly believe in - preservation of a certain way of family life. If they had no such convictions, they wouldn't donate. No one forces them to; that's why donations are voluntary.

The agencies need BOTH donations and funding. Without the funding, the adoption agencies aren't financially viable. Without the donations, the adoption agencies aren't financially viable. This is the reason they are in such a symbiotic relationship. It stands to reason that a probable outcome of Catholic agencies being obliged to engage in assisting gay couples to adopt from said agencies would be the rapid decline in donations. Similarly, if the legislation obliged agencies, by its punitive restrictions to sever all ties with local authorities rather than be castigated (as they would have to in the name of integrity) the funds would not be there. The situation is a precarious one. Either funds or donations would have to be sacrificed, basic and additional support services would have to be drastically reduced if not omitted altogether from the pastoral budget to keep agencies solvent, and this would in all probability necessitate the closure of some of the smaller agencies in an attempt to save the larger ones. It's that simple.

The Church is not demanding any exemption (read the full article). It is asking for due consideration, something it has a right to ask in a DEMOCRACY.
The Church is not threatening to close agencies down, the Cardinal is outlining a very real and possible side-effect of this cure-all legislation for gay rights.

Personally, I feel that the Cardinal has gone above and beyond his duty to advise government of the possible implications of the legislation. He has even spent time patiently placating sections of the media and government who would rather shout down and decry the Church than admit that there might be some side-effects of the implementation of the Equality Act as is.

The government has been advised. There now remains a number of options:

1. Legislation is amended to take into account something which really should have been thoroughly researched before drafting.

2. Legislation is passed as is and Catholic agencies, under the direction of the Church in England and Wales, and in consultation with clergy and the congregation whose money makes the support services possible, sever ties with Local Authorities, closing agencies if necessary.

Personally though, I'm in favour of consultation with the congregation and clergy (if the government persists in sticking its head in the sand), reassessing the infrastructure the Church has invested in, and relocating services to Ireland. Catholic teaching is more likely to be respected there, and it is doubtful that Catholics will be forced by the Irish government to tailor personal conscience to legislation. Those who so vehemently oppose the Cardinal's statements could then, if they are that moved, put THEIR money where their mouths are and make up the shortfall from the lack of donations, thus ensuring a completely secular service.

Answer 7

Idont say this as a catholic, I say this as a fair person,. Why ruin the perseption of a child jus tbecause some selfish couple decided to live a way of life but also decided so that they can be happy deprive a child from a descent, normal way of life? If u want to be gay fine, but dont involve others in your choices.

yes I agree with you, gay people that want to adopt are disgusting!!!

Answer 8

Presumably somebody who took a child to a Catholic run adoption agency rather than a secular agency would do so because she wanted some form of catholic input into her child's upbringing. I do not see that as unreasonable.

Answer 9

If the Catholic church are funding these agencies you can't force them to go against what they believe, there are plenty of non religious agencies that can place children with gay couples

Answer 10

i have no interest in religion but except it is good for others and i do not object to gay people in anyway , however i do not think it is good for a child to be brought up by gay couples , i say this because a child learns the majority of it's skills by copying others in it's immediate vicinity and if a child is brought up by say nuns for instance the child will consider it perfectly normal to spend hours praying every day . gays are perfectly normal people who have accepted their desire to make a life with someone of the same sex , but i think a child brought up in that situation might very probably grow up to think heterosexual relationships were in someway odd , thus not giving the child a level playing field to start from . like father like son the saying goes and how often has that proven to be true .