SAM T QUESTION: More on God VS. Big Bang or M-theory. (For atheists only, as some people may believe in both.)

Question

Some of you said that it is best to believe that matter or energy always existed than God. (Referring to my previous question asked not long ago.) But have you ever analyzed how earth is 93 million miles from the sun? A perfect distance for life on earth? Or how earth moves at about 66 mph around the sun, so that it won't move to close or too far away from its perfect trajectory around the sun, that supports life? Or how about how earth spins on its axis every 24 hours instead of once or twice a year, which would make part of earth very hot, and the other side very cold? Why is it that the earth, as far as space positioning, and speed, and trajectory, is ideal for life? There are slim chances of this, and slim chances for many other things that I will analyze in future questions.

Until then, did the atheists theories ignore these slim chances? Looks like you need faith to believe in these theories. :-)

Oh great, turns out some people haven't realized that there aren't conditions as perfect on earth in any other planet. :-(. Buy a telescope, they are cheap. There is not other planet with such perfect positioning, and the chances of there being even one, from chances, is very slim.

Hey, the anthropod principle says anthropods exist, because they do lol. Obviously we exist because earth is ideal for life, but the chances of earth doing it without a smart designer is so extremely slim, I rather believe in evolution's chances than in the possitioning of earth happening randomly.

Answer 1

They'll offer some kind of logical conclusion. It's obviously a matter of random chance. (sarcasm)

Logically, if the universe is that amazingly perfect, then it has a perfect creator.

Here come the thumbs down.

Answer 2

Frankly mate, and I'm sure you have been told this before, you come across as a bit of a wanker. Now, to the question...

Life is on this planet because this planet supports life. It seems that, in line with your own inflated sense of self importance, you have an inflated sense of humans' importance when set against the enormity of the universe we are isolated within.

Is it surprising to you that a planet where life abounds is well equipped to support such life?

I'm not sure just how big your telescope is, but I would guess that it is not quite big enough to examine the universe in detail. Imagine for one second that there is another planet out there that happens to support life, and that the lifeforms are intelligent.

Now, to you, presuming your alternative to evolution is a god, would that mean that these lifeforms fall under the category "god's creations". Or do gods only hold sway over certain sections of the universe? If the aliens look different to us, then does that affect your image of god?

Further, if the aliens are as ill equipped as you to confirm or dismiss that life exists elsewhere, then what would their theological perspective be? What would their god look like?

Finally, considering that they are, in fact, alive, do your think that they should be so surprised to find that their planet supports life, and so much so that they use it as a basis for some self serving theological position?

I certainly hope you can appreciate the philosophical questions that arise from this line of thinking, and perhaps take some time to think about these yourself before trying to take on people who have spent a lot of time thinking about these things from a more neutral position.

God did not create us in his image, people have created god in their image. In fact they did more than that in many cases. We have a holy trinity to cover all bases.... unfortunately you didn't make the home-run... sorry.

Answer 3

1) If life couldn't exist on Earth, you wouldn't be here to ask why it COULD.

2) There's a 'habitable zone' around each star. We just happen to be in it. So is Venus, but Venus has other problems.

3) You need no faith to realize that if any of those things were different, life may not have evolved at all. Actually, these all support evolution. If god exists, why not make Earth however and wherever he wanted it? Couldn't god have put Earth where Jupiter is and still make us all survive somehow? That would be a lot more impressive than just making it easy for us to thrive. Almost like there's no god at all, huh?

Answer 4

Oh, no.

Do you have even the smallest idea of the number of planets there are, or could be, in the Universe? Slim chance? Based on an infinite number? I don't think so.

It could have happened here, or it could have happened 4 billion light years away. Whichever had the best conditions is where it happened, and that is here. It's not like this place was pre-designated.

Some critical thinking would do you a world of good.

Edit: Sam, if you want to be haughty about it then here it is in simple terms.

You are very ignorant if you think that the only planets you can see are those seen through a telescope.

You are limiting yourself to just this galaxy. Maybe you should go speak to an astronomer or do some research on just how big the universe is. We don't even have a number concept for the amount of planets there are. Man, I thought this was common knowledge? What has happened to our educational system????

Answer 5

Look, if earth were say 112 million miles from the sun it's still possible that life would evolve. If the atmosphere had slightly higher concentrations of argon or hydrogen or helium, it would still be possible for life to have evolved. The speed at which the earth rotates around the sun is a direct result of it's mass and proximity to the sun. If the earth had a slightly greater mass than it does, it would still be possible for life to evolve. DIfferent life. Perhaps only slightly different, perhaps astonishingly different but it could still have happened.

In that case you would be asking, "Have you ever analyzed how earth is 112 million miles from the sun? Etc.."

Do you see how your premise is flawed? You're making a grave supposition that 'life as we know it' is the only way in which it could possibly exist.

Answer 6

Well, what you have to look at isn't how slim the chances are on this planet, but how enoromous the chances are in the universe. It is a common mistake to say the earth was perfectly designed for us, when in fact WE were perfectly designed for, or rather by, the earth. There are countless unknown stars which could support a planetary system similar to the solar system, it very easily could have been a matter of chance when you realize that we can see trillions of stars. That is just what we can see!

Response to edit one: Well, it seems a bit short-sighted to say that there aren't any other planets that could support life. In our solar system, no, not as earth does, but that telescope you spoke of can see more than our solar system. Look at all the other stars in the sky... each one has the potential for planetary abundance just as our sun is (not every one, but a huge amount). Also, Europa, one of Saturns moons has an Ice outer crust with liquid H20 oceans, as well as thermal venting. Seeing as how life began in our oceans, likely in thermal vents, it would be more than possible for life to exist there as ice is one of natures greatest cosmic ray deterents.

Answer 7

you have a small brain.

do you know how old the universe could possibly be?? 14 BILLION YEARS. you have no idea how big that number is. do you know how big the observable universe is?? 46 BILLION LIGHT YEARS in every direction. you have no idea how far that is. and over time, not a couple hundred years like your little mind thinks, but over billions of years, that quite possibly, that maybe one planet from one star could have happened and evolved to sustain life?? you know stars go through stages. the sun won't be here forever. it wasn't here forever. other stars could've and might right now had planets with life. it's possible. that's how BIG and OLD the universe is. it's just hard for someone to understand that with a small brain. instead, you'll conclude it's MAGIC cuz you can't fathom of anything substantially further.

Answer 8

You haven't a clue how vast the universe really is and how many chances nature had to get it right, do you? Besides, if Earth had been slightly different, don't you think any life that appeared would have developed to handle it and would eventually gasp at the concept of life that can live without blue sunlight for the plants and temperatures that allow liquid methane for their circulatory system?

Answer 9

There are "slim chances" for everything to exist otherwise things will not arise... causes and conditions. If the right causes and conditions come together you get hit by a virus or bacterial infection (sometimes those causes and conditions are your own failure to use proper handwashing technique), if the right causes and conditions are present a seed becomes a plant, if the right causes and conditions are present an ignorant child can become learned, wise and famous... these are NOT "slim chances" there are simply the right causes and conditions for that particular thing to exist.

Looks like you need to go back to square one and try again.

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Answer 10

You're describing the strong anthropic principle, which was soundly disproven. The weak anthropic principle holds.

Let's say the earth was, oh, 180million miles away -- Would we exist to know that we didn't exist in the life zone? No. The only way that we could exist is if, gasp, the earth existed in the habitability zone.

The fact we exist doesn't prove that we were placed in the habitability zone, only that we exist in the habitability zone.

There's no magic to this.

Answer 11

You do realize that you are using the method of man made measurements to theorize our existence is divine? Our position, speed and distance would be what they are regardless if someone was here to name them. Who's to say that it is the best distance from the sun for mankind? And hours, 24, is a man made idea. Thats like saying a deity decided there should be exactly one cup of water in a cup of water.