SAM T QUESTION: ATHEISTS QUESTION 1. The beginning of the universe.?

Question

All theories of the beginning of the universe have a source were everything came from. (Not necesarily a God.) For example a singularity in the big bang theory. (From all the possible scientific names and they chose big bang.) In order for these theories to be true, there must have been energy, which was then converted into matter. (The opposite of an atomic bomb, that converts matter into energy.) Gravity would also have to somehow begin, as to maintain the energy of the universe at exactly 0. The universe is everything, so before the singularity "popped", there was nothing at all besides the singularity.

So how did the singularity begin to exist, and where did the first bit of energy come from?

Answer 1

Here we go again, kids.

Sam T, I don't know who you think you are, but you're not a celebrity. There's no need to put a label on your questions. You're only making yourself look smug. (Which would mean you enjoy the scent of your own farts.)

"So how did the singularity begin to exist, and where did the first bit of energy come from?"
We don't know. There's absolutely no need to apply a god here.
For all we know, this singularity could be the 'uncaused first cause' the ID advocates so nauseatingly flail around.

Do you know? Are you a cosmologist? I'm not.

Answer 2

In physical cosmology, the Big Bang is the scientific theory that the universe emerged from a tremendously dense and hot state about 13.7 billion years ago. The theory is based on the observations indicating the expansion of space as indicated by the Hubble redshift of distant galaxies taken together with the cosmological principle.

Extrapolated into the past, these observations show that the universe has expanded from a state in which all the matter and energy in the universe was at an immense temperature and density. Physicists do not widely agree on what happened before this, although general relativity predicts a gravitational singularity.

What scientists say: we don't know. we don't know how the big bang got started, we don't know what happened before the big bang, hell, we don't know what happened in the first few seconds of the universe, and we are not sure how it will all end.

But the main difference is, we look at these questions with an open mind. We do not say 'god did it' for everything we don't understand. That is something the cavemen did.

What is interesting that instead of bringing forth theories of your own you attempt to shoot holes in other theories. That is, of course, because your basic theory and answer to everything is 'god did it'.

Answer 3

Sam, why do you do this? You ask these asinine questions that are illogical and completely unanswerable. First off the big bang theory cannot be taken back to the 'singularity'. A newer theory called m-theory can be calculated back that far and through it, but this is still far from concrete. Truth is no one knows. This does not imply that a Christian-type deity is the answer by default. That sort of reasoning is why a thousand years ago people attributed everything to such a deity. Only through the tireless efforts of people thinking outside the realm of religious doctrine have we been able to find natural explanations for things like lightning and earthquakes.
My point is I know what you are getting at here, but your idea has no merit. Again, I beg you, get an education before you decide to unravel the mysteries of life. Your mediocre public school education will not do the trick.

Answer 4

Don't know. Neither does anybody else, despite pretensions to the contrary; even religion fails here because God would presumably have required some sort of energy and also has to be made out of something. One can only conclude that the laws of physics were substantially different before the Big Bang or before the existence of God, because we no longer see either random singularities or random deities popping out of nothingness...

And I fail to see how something could have always existed, or if it did why the idea of a God that had always existed makes any more sense than an infant singularity that had always existed.

Answer 5

Energy cannot be created, nor destroyed, and the same goes for matter. Thus, energy and matter are constants that are only transfering.

Also, the atomic bomb doesn't turn atoms into energy, it allows the atom to release it's stored energy before becoming a vacume sucking everything back in.

Following this, the energy slowly decreases in the atoms due to the friction of the air. Since there is no friction in space, perpetual energy is attainable. Now to the big bang. The big bang theory states that all matter was once clumped together in one massive planet. Due to the density of the planet, because all the matter was being compressed into one small space, it's gravity caused the matter to implode on itself, sending all the planet's matter outwards. Due to the rapid decrease in preassure, this would leave a massive black hole, which would in turn suck everything back in. So, since all this matter was being sent outwards, the only thing to pull it back in would be the black hole. The matter formed suns and planets and what not. So, the rate at which our planet is traveling through outerspace is slowly decreasing until it reaches a point at which it will be at a negative rate, or in otherwards, back towards the black hole, where it will be compressed once again to cause the big bang all over again.

Answer 6

It could be God, sure, but I wouldn't know if he has a personality, a will, or thought patterns we define to be good, hence the many different religions. The existence of God does not necessarily prove everything we hold to be true about him. Perhaps he's just happy making sure the laws of physics are carried out. But even God is the pre-big bang entity, where then does he come from? It doesn't stop the questioning cycle. Same goes for anything else pre-bigbang, be it a god, a single point, or a parallel universe.

Answer 7

Let me throw your question back at you. How did god begin to exist, and where did god come from?

If you respond "well god has always existed" there is no reason why the universe couldn't have "always existed". Though always not an apt description considering that time did not exist until after the big bang either.

It is very likely that science won't be able to answer that question. Considering that the laws of physics did not exist until immediately after the big bang, we can't use them to describe the universe before it.

However that is no reason to all of the sudden believe in god. Just because you can't answer a question doesn't mean the answer is god.

Answer 8

The Big Bang theory does not propose an beginning to existence, but to the universe we live in today.

Before Planck time, nothing can be inferred, nor deduced from the nature of relaity, due to the loss of all natural laws, outside of quantum behaviour.

So, the only rational answer anyone can give on this is "I don't know", with the added cleveat that it may (although unlikely) be possible to find out in the future.

All postulations from laymen at this moment are equal in value and probability, save problems with logic.

For myself, I tend to think of the universe as an endless cycle of quantum behaviour on the universe.

Answer 9

Scientists don't even say for certain the universe had a beginning because that would require a theory of quantum gravity-when a theory of quantum gravity exists and science actually make concrete statements about how the universe began you can challenge those statements. Your opening sentence is therefore just a complete falsehood. Lose the intellectual pretensions-your "challenges" of science which misrepresent the facts only fool the uninformed.

Answer 10

Are you implying that because we don't know what caused the start of the universe... therefore there must be a god?

I guess once every other thing that has been attributed to god, from lightning bolts to the evolution of man has been answered by science, the one remaining question will be how did the universe form.