does this pretty much disprove many rumors of illegal aliens?

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Some used to say about studies done that illegal immigrants are good for the economy were biased, coming from such places as the ACLU, but this is a study from The Wallstreet Journal written from an economic point of view and nothing else. Saying that immigrants (illegal or otherwise) contribute several times more than the alleged 90 billion dollars spent on them for social security that is nearly non existent and that they can't even receive BECAUSE they are illegal. http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?page=article&Article_ID=66

all i know is illegal immigrants, whether you like it or not, will keep coming into this country, you can't stop it, and you shouldn't because they contribute. Obviously many of them are not gonna live in the richest part of town if they're coming over here to start a new life. Basically, all of you illegal haters can go join your 100 people groups, we don't care, the millions of people you will see protesting for illegals know whats right.

why doesn't anyone put up anything about how much they contribute? all you say is how much they take away. They contribute, you people just don't want to admit it.

Answer 1

nothing you say will convince people here...

Answer 2

No it doesnt disprove them at all. You are just talking about social security, what about all the hospitals closing down because immigrant recieve medical care for free and dont pay, what about the Governor of californias new proposal to give them free healthcare at my expense. How do they know how many illegals they are and what they do/dont contribute? What about the added crime that is caused by the low income areas they live in.

What about when our kids go to public school and get jumped the the sons of these illegals because they live in the slums and were bussed into my rich white town and have contempt for everything we've accomplished.

Not all immegrant are negative but I think these things which are hard to count for in a study should be kept in mind when you go to the voting booth to decide crucial issues like this.

Answer 3

most illegals that I have met or seen wouldn't even bother to learn English or to assimilate, and they always try doing things from the back door. I found it hard to believe that these people would be bothered to even get the tax forms and fill them out(even in Spanish) and let the IRS know how much cash they are making.
But most of all, these illegals have shown a great ability of downgrading any town that they have taken over. someone should do a study on how these people have made numerous once clean and nice towns into slumps of crime and filth.

Answer 4

Bull, go to Brownsville Texas and walk into the Social Security office, the food stamp office. These people are drawing Welfare from the U.S., paying no taxes, and working under the table and pocketing the money. My husband, had a massive heart attack, I couldn't get help, but every one in the Social Services told me that there was nothing that they could do to stop all the illegals from getting food stamps, disability, and Social Security. This country is in shambles and the poor illegals get everything.

Answer 5

They make up for it in free health care as most of them are hypochondriacs or are dropping kids like an Oak tree drops acorns. The cold weather also doesn't agree with them. They rarely carry auto insurance and drive terribly. When there is an accident YOUR insurance pays, and YORE rated go UP. Anything hitting Social Security will be drawn to that giant sucking and grinding sound known as Congress (basis for Steven King's the langoliers) where it disappears in the only black hole within 75 light years. I understand that Nancy Pelosi has already purchased rainbow paint with SS funds for the exterior of the now politically incorrect WHITE HOUSE.

Answer 6

I'll say something about them contributing. They contribute to the crime rate everyday and have no accountability for it. They get sent back across the border and a few weeks later are back commiting more crime. Thats what I want in my country.

Answer 7

Well, your source was so incredible that I have just completely changed my mind. Thank you for that wonderful link, I guess everything else I've ever read concerning illegal immigration was wrong. I mean, that article was so rich and informative. I do apologize for all of my anti illegal rhetoric, and you're right, it truly dispels any rumors. Let's just forget about all my past ramblings about illegals, they are really helping me out, I was so blind and didn't realize it. Sorry.

Answer 8

No, I've read that study and it ONLY speaks of federal costs when the real costs are local - schools and hospitals and services. There were other problems with it, but that is the biggest.

Answer 9

Illegal is illegal. It doesn't matter how much they contribute, it's what they take from American citizens, and what they are sending out of the country.

Answer 10

But if you take into account all the BILLIONS of dollars illegals COST us in OTHER ways, then any money they pay IN, is just a drop in the bucket!!!!

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Wall Street Journal: Oblivious to reality

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Posted: March 20, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: John Dougherty's recent book, Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border," is available at WorldNetDaily's online store.


What's that I smell coming from the op-ed pages of the Wall Street Journal? I don't know, but it resembles something horses leave behind in the barnyard.

While the Journal may have a well-earned reputation as the "go-to" publication for business leaders, its editorial page editors lack a certain penchant for reality when it comes to a discussion of immigration – legal and otherwise.

Recently on the Journal's op-ed pages, Jason L. Riley took a stereotypical WSJ position of supporting a "come one, come all" immigration policy, while failing to explain why such an open-borders policy is more desirable than, say, border security. Instead, he relied on the liberal tactic of "smear first, last and always" to silence critics who dare to speak about border security.

Even the title of his piece – "GOP Nativists Tarnish Reagan's 'Shining City'" – is a cruel joke, and not one just for conservatives, but for anyone who is serious about derailing the destructive effects mass immigration is having on our nation.

For the record, the "shining city" mantra was a phrase oft-repeated by President Reagan, though it was actually coined several hundred years earlier by John Winthrop, an early pilgrim who wrote it to describe the kind of American nation he envisioned.

In a number of respects, America indeed has become a "shining city on a hill," thanks to the ingenuity, hard work and sacrifices made by Americans all along the way.

In fact, America has become a shining city on top of the globe; in terms of gross domestic product, military might, technological advancement, medicine and resourcefulness, what country historically can compare?

Our success as a nation is what drives so much migration – and why so many people from neighboring poor nations want to be here, no matter what they have to sacrifice to get here.

That's admirable and it says a lot about the success we as Americans have earned and accomplished. Yet for those who dare to protect these accomplishments, pundits like Riley are waiting in the wings, ready to throw open the floodgates while calling opponents "nativist" ethnophobes, bigots and "white supremacists."

It never ceases to amaze me that supposedly educated people who have the ability to write stirringly and sensibly resort to labeling and attacking opponents personally, instead of attempting to debate them intelligently. Riley epitomizes the elite media's reactionary stance toward any hint that American leaders have a right – nay, a duty – to secure this nation's borders, by any means necessary, and especially during a time of unprecedented global terrorism.

Riley is writing like scores of other pundits who have never set foot within 50 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. He even has the temerity to suggest the U.S. is incapable of protecting its borders. And he calls "unenforceable" any laws designed to strengthen border security and discourage illegal immigration.

To suggest the U.S., the world's only remaining superpower – with our global satellite communications and surveillance systems, ultra-modern military forces, $10 trillion GDP, vast technological superiority and armed populace – cannot substantially impact the current level of illegal immigration shows an incredible level of ignorance. The U.S. government has never been serious about closing off its borders to illegal immigrants, drug smugglers and the occasional Mexican military or police unit that "accidentally" strays onto American soil. So how can anyone say it isn't possible?

In fact, the government has been quite the facilitator of mass immigration. Between Democratic voter interests and Wall Street Journal neocon corporate interests, Washington has been bought and sold many times over on the open-borders concept.

The concept of open borders is also fraught with hypocrisies and double standards. On the one hand, advocates argue the concept can work as long as migrants are documented, tracked and possess the proper paperwork and identification. But on the other, they say current law forbidding employers from hiring undocumented workers is impossible to enforce because it, in Riley's words, has only "created a thriving black market for false identification papers."

Which is it – documentation helps or doesn't help?

Here is why it matters that Americans get serious about controlling our borders. According to the latest U.S. Census Bureau statistics, by 2050 non-Hispanic whites will comprise only 50 percent of a population expected to swell to 420 million people.

So what, right? It isn't important for a nation to be comprised of a people – regardless of their ethnicity – who share common bonds, languages and customs, right?

Tell that to the Russian soldiers dying in Chechnya.

Tell that to the Serbs and ethnic Albanians fighting in Kosovo.

Tell that to Indonesia's warring ethnic factions.

Tell that to the Muslim terrorists who hate America and Americans because we are largely a Christian nation.

And tell it to the militant Hispanic groups already inside our own country who thirst for a greater Latino homeland rejoined with the Mexican nation of the 18th century.

The Journal's neocon position on immigration stinks to high heaven. Open borders for any reason is not an ingredient conducive to future stability. While admittedly there are no easy solutions to the problem, there are plenty of good solutions.

The fact that none of them have been implemented reeks.