Rapture? post or pre millineal?

Question

I read recently that if there is a post millineal rapture that many trained to believe pre will be disappointed and lose faith. Also, greatest opportunity to glorify God would be during tribulation. I think I like that.

Answer 1

Gospel According to Saint Matthew
Chapter 6



33 Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof.



The origins of the doctrine of the rapture are hotly debated. The Orthodox, mainline Protestant, and Roman Catholic churches (which represent the majority of Christians worldwide) have no tradition of such a teaching and reject the doctrine, in part because they cannot find any reference to it among any of the early Church fathers and in part because they do not interpret the scriptures the way that Rapture-believers do

Answer 2

The ones called to witness during the Tribulation are the 144,000 which are Jews that will convert when they realize their errors. The Church is not the 144,000.

Also, just by simply using Scripture (and not Church traditions and theories) it's pretty easy to show that the Church will be raptured.

Read Revelation 3:10
"'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth."

How is it that SOME people get spared from the "hour of testing" (Tribulation) but not all (the other churches get warnings that they'd better correct their errors or face the wrath)?

That could only happen if some didn't get spared and had to go through it.
The Post Trib view can't answer that and the Mid-Trib view has to then leave the Scriptures and start arguing by pure reason (albeit bad reasoning). They also start twisting events and Bible verses around to say what they want it to say.

Hope this helps!

Answer 3

It is pre, as the bible says that the lawless one cannot be reveiled until the restrainer is taken out of the way, and what is the restrainer, it is the Holy Spirit that dwells in us. The first rapture is the bride of Christ, and the second rapture will be the saints who missed the first rapture as they will be wedding guests. The 144,000 will be raptured after they have preached the gospel they will be from the 12,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. So the first rapture is for the bride and that is pre tribulation. The Archangel Gabrielle I heard from somebody who had a vision from the Lord is about the sound the trumpet. Yes Jesus is coming to take us home not to many more years from now, this is the gereration that will see the coming of Jesus. Pack your bags becuase we will be soon going home.

Answer 4

The Apostle Paul identifies three distinct groups of people - the church, Gentiles, and Jews.

Romans 9-11 gives us the order of the grand plan of salvation and the role of the Jews in all this: Basically, their rejection of the gospel of Christ opened the door for the Gentiles to receive the gospel, and the Jewish nation will be mostly blinded to the truth until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.....then all of the promised remnant of Israel will be saved.

This is important to know to understand the order of events: The first group of people - the church - will be "raptured" (caught away to meet Jesus in the air) prior to the Tribulation.

The fullness of the Gentiles referred to in Romans will come into the kingdom during the Tribulation.

The Jews will follow at the end.

Then Jesus will return to the earth with all His saints to overthrow the beast (anti-christ) and the false prophet. (What we call the battle of Armegeddon) They will be cast into the lake of fire, along with the kings and armies who allied themselves with the enemy against Christ. Satan will be bound for 1,000 years, while Jesus rules the earth with all His saints (who had been raptured) AND those saved out of the Tribulation. (Remember, there will still be nations of people who are unsaved at this point, because only the kings, rulers, powers and authoriities of the earth have been cast into the lake of fire with the anti-christ and false prophet....) Note: Do not confuse the millenial reign with the tribuation - they are not the same event.

There is another battle immediately following that 1,000 reign - when Satan is released from the pit to deceive the unbelieving nations once more. Satan will be cast into the lake of fire forever. The unsaved and all other dead who have not received Christ will be resurrected to the Great White Throne judgment. Since they haven't received the atoning work of Christ on their behalf, they can only be judged according to their own works....they will be cast into the lake of fire with the false trinity (devil, anti-christ and false prophet), and then there will be a new heaven and a new earth.....no more death, sorrow, pain, sickness or suffering.

God's perfect will is then fulfilled, and creation is restored to the perfect condition that He originally intended in the Garden, before Adam gave his authority and dominion over all creation to the devil.....and we see the evil fruit of that today.

So, if anyone asks if you are pre, during, or post-tribulation, you can answer YES. Because three distinct groups of people enter the kingdom of God at three distinctly separate times: Before (church), during (fullness of the Gentiles) and after (remnant of Israel).

And if they ask if you are pre or post millenial, again you can say YES. There is a battle of armageddon prior to the millenial reign, that casts down the antichrist and false prophet, along with all the kings and armies of the nations who side with the enemy. There is another battle immediately following the millenial reign that casts down the devil and all the peoples who were deceived by him.

That is the proper order of things....hope this helps.

Answer 5

RAPTURE'; The word does not appear in the Bible [ NWT] so has no significance.
When Armageddon occurs, the 'righteous' will remain on earth and the un-righteous will be destroyed.
(Luke 17:34-35) I tell YOU, In that night two [men] will be in one bed; the one will be taken along, but the other will be abandoned. 35 There will be two [women] grinding at the same mill; the one will be taken along, but the other will be abandoned.”

There will be no place to hide.
Only our current behaviour can give Jesus a reason to save us.
And it WILL be Jesus, riding out to do battle, on his white horse, as Almighty God's representative.
(Revelation 19:11-13) And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is arrayed with an outer garment sprinkled with blood, and the name he is called is The Word of God.

(John 1:1-2) In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God.

The "Word" is Jesus, and he was 'with' God in the beginning.
Proverbs 8; 22-31.
Jesus was 'a' god, a spiritual being, just like Satan is the 'god' of this system of things.
(2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

But Jesus is NOT Almighty God Jehovah...his Father. [ Exodus 6;3]

Answer 6

The rapture happens before tribulation

Answer 7

I don't think He will come back AFTER the millenium, because it doesn't really make sense to me. I thought the whole point of that thousand years was for Him to reign, so He should already be here. I think He will return before the millenial reign, but not before the tribulation begins. He might return mid-tribulation or after the tribulation, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if He comes back before the tribulation!

Answer 8

Jesus makes it abundantly sparkling at the same time as the "rapture," or "accumulating of the pick" will happen, and that's when we were further to tribulation by technique of our enemies, yet earlier God in His wrath judges our enemies. The indicators of this accumulating are the solar turning out to be darkish, and the moon turning out to be like blood. This actuality is stated lower back and lower back contained in the Bible, in Joel 2, Matthew 24, Acts 2 and Revelation 6. evaluate all of those scriptures, and also you'll see that the "rapture" is pre-wrath, to happen somewhat over halfway with the help of the seventieth week. Please learn the scriptures i'm itemizing in my substances. @ Chris and Messenger: the position in those scriptures does it say we will be presented from tribulation? It says we will be presented earlier the wrath of God begins, yet Revelation says that the wrath of God begins after the sixth seal. Jesus also stated very especially that we will be further to tribulation and we will be killed by technique of our enemies. this isn't the wrath of God. that's the wrath of devil. I for one have chanced on some thing truly selfish and tense about the pre-trib rapture view. It assumes that the most staggering adult males and women human beings of God which contain Richard Wurmbrand, Pastor bike, Asia Bibi, and everyone suggested in Hebrews 11, 12:a million, and 13:3 are honestly poor, terrible human beings doomed to torment in hell. because they SUFFERED! They were no longer presented from tribulation, and so as that they ought to were less than the curse of God Himself. that's no ask your self Pastor Wurmbrand had this variety of demanding time convincing the lazy, gluttonous American church to provide even a concept and prayer for the underground church in the back of the Iron Curtain. What a lie! I for one am excited for the seventieth week--the finished tribulation--to start up. i encourage God for the honour and privilege of status consisting of his persecuted church, of bearing His scars as area of His body, and of a martyr's crown. i might want to honestly be dissatisfied to locate that the accumulating become to happen earlier i might want to had an probability to really conflict through for His call. I photo my face between those below the altar. i want to be there. What about you? Will you, the body of Christ, undergo His scars? Or will you nonetheless stay your delicate lives and belittle those who do conflict through for His call? Wurmbrand is a extra effective Christian than you. he's a extra effective Christian than me. because he suffered, no longer even with it. convey about the tribulation!

Answer 9

I don't believe that much in rapture. I need more research about it.