For Evolutionists Who Cant Conceive of a Divine Source of Beginning...?

Question

I've been given 4 "thumbs down's" for an answer I gave about Evolution being started by a divine source. Can it be possible for something to come from nothing? Did the beginning point evolve from nothing or what started the beginning point? Evolutionists's believe we evolved from some beginning point. The Big Bang theory goes back to gas and molecules, cosmic dust. Who created the dust? Who created a divine source? Neither question can be factually definitively answered by a living human. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Who created God if God does exist...If all a big bang beginning, who or what started the beginning point from zero?

I'm saying I do not know and I am asking what you on either side of the fence are thinking? "The only thing I know is that I do not know". Dr. Jung

Answer 1

4 thumbs down?

OMG IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!

Answer 2

Evolution doesn't address the origin of the universe or a "beginning point". The Big Bang is an entirely SEPARATE theory. Thus, evolution is NOT in opposition to creationism, as most ignorant creationists claim.

If the Big Bang can't be possible because something can't come from nothing, then God (or any other divine source) can't be possible either, for exactly the same reason.

Some things about the universe are not known and probably never will be. An explanation for something that is inexplicable, especially when there is no irrefutable evidence to back it up, and people are threatened into accepting it, is the surest sign that one is peddling a myth. In the big scheme of things, IT DOESN'T MATTER how the universe came to be.

Answer 3

The problem is your assumption that there must have been a "who" involved.

No person (or person-like being) created, say, Mt. Tamalpias (which I picked because it's near me). It is the result of physical processes -- no "who" involved. (Probably a result of the edge of the Pacific plate rubbing and bumping against the North American plate.)

As for how come the universe exists, I'm not sure that there can be a reasonable explanation. Big Bang theory is consistent with a lot of the evidence.

But the very question of where things came from presupposes that some things existed before the things being explained. That's how that question works.

It stretches the question all out of whack to ask it of everything at once.

The question is no longer a sensible question.

I must say, though, that you are in good company when you say that god started evolution -- there are a lot of very smart people who say something similar.

(I'm not one of them, I'm one of the very smart people who doesn't believe in any sort of god or divine anything.)

;-)

About the thumbs: According to the Yahoo help stuff, they just mean that people are disagreeing with you. It's perfectly legitimate to use them that way.

BTW, the Big Bang IS what explains the gas and dust; it's the starting point for all energy and matter (and possibly space?).

There are also theories that this is just one dimension; there are others. Interactions between them create others. (I may have this stuff wrong. It's been a while since I seriously studied cosmology.)

So the question becomes "Is there good reason to think there's a 'who'?"

I say no.

You say yes.

I applaud your attempts to genuinely understand what we who disagree with you are saying. Most of these kinds of questions aren't sincere, but are trying to "show" us we're stupid.

BTW, it's not that we can't conceive of a divine source, it's that we see no reason to believe in it.

I can conceive of unicorns; don't make them real. My disbelief in them isn't due to lack of ability to imagine them.

Answer 4

Why does something HAVE to have created God or the Big Bang? We may not be able to conceive it, but maybe something always has been (like people like to assume God has been) or has a time line different than how we experience time.

There is scientific evidence of atoms (or quarks, maybe smaller objects) forming from nothing and disappearing. There is much humans don't understand. Perhaps it is all divine, perhaps the divine will one day be explainable. As of now we're not really in a point to know. At least, that's my view. Humans generally use 10-11% of their brain.

This probably doesn't help you much, and I'm sorry. I'm more of a dreamer than most. But, honestly, the idea of God using evolution to make His/Her/Its design isn't that far fetched if God exists. There's just that horrid gap of anti-religious atheists who refute and rebuke all religion and anti-evolution and science Christians who do the exact same back.

Answer 5

I can conceive of a "divine source of beginning", I just don't happen to think there is any evidence to support the conception. I can also conceive of Invisible Pink Unicorns, and flying pigs.

Like most believers, you are mistaking Evolution (how life became more complex through the power of serial natural selection) with Cosmology, (how the Universe itself came into being) They are not the same topic. Evolution has nothing to do with or say about the Big Bang, and vice versa

I find it interesting that believers have a hard time with the concept of the BB, the universe springing into existence from a singularity, but you are quite happy with a super being who always existed. And we also like to ask the question, if god created the universe, who created god. You can't have it both ways.

Answer 6

Yes, it is possible for something to have come from nothing. But how do we know there never was anything? Maybe there was something, something that's just always been. And it became something else. It evolved. Speaking of that, the egg came first. Because the chicken evolved from dinosaurs. You have this mutating chain of animals, slowly turning into birds, and eventually, one of these animals (animal X) will have its DNA mutated, so that when X lays an egg, inside this egg will be a chicken, which mutated from X, all the way down the line.

Answer 7

What makes you think there was a beginning or will be an ending. Time is merely a measure of change in matter/ energy. The matter/energy matrix has always existed and always will. I undergoes changes from matter to energy and back, and people with very short lifespans in cosmic terms have this fixation with beginnings. If you believe you lifespan is long then study nuclear physics where compared to the life span of cloud chamber particles, we are close to infinite. Your something from nothing hang up therefore lacks relevance.

Answer 8

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Answer 9

The truth of the matter is, I don't know. I entertain myself with many possibilities including a creator but I do not believe in them.

There is insufficient evidence for me to believe in anything other than natural occurrences. The one thing I do often resort to thinking is that there was never an age of nothingness. That nature itself exists and has always existed.

Answer 10

I do think most evolutionist believe in a higher power. Why do Christians think if a person is an evolutionist, they cannot believe in G-d? This is G-d's way of giving us life and continuing to make things grow. I am very religious, and I definitely believe in evolution.

Answer 11

If the argument is that "a creation must have a creator":, i.e., nothing can exist without a creator, then doesn't that mean something must have created God?