as a follow-up question: So does this mean that Atheists who don't believe in a creator?

Question

just think a beautiful painting happened all by itself and there was no artist who painted it just because it was unsigned? The artist let everyone know later that it was his creation but, they just say no it just happened all by itself (but, yet they deny miracles?)

Answer 1

This is aboslutely correct. Athesit always claim, they need to see God before they can believe in him. However this illustrations goes to show you, that even though you can't see the artist you know one exist. It is just like the fine tuning of the universe, to believe that it happened by chance is completley absurb. Also another proof of God is time. There must be a starting point for everything in the dimension of time. You can obviously not go back infinetly so the universe has to have a start. Therefore something outside of the universe must have created time, and the univerese. Because absolutley nothing can produce absolutely nothing.Therefore God lives outside the dimension of time, (being eternal) and needs nothing outside himself to exist.

Answer 2

this is a new take on the whole "watch/watch-maker" argument. Briefly, it holds no water. Thus:

When you see a rabbit, do you go looking for a rabbit creator? what about the person that made the grass on your front lawn? The sun? Is there a guy slaving away from 9-5 churning out celestial bodies?

A painting has a creator because that's how it came about, same as a watch a stereo and my underwear, they were made by people. But something doesn't need a intelligent creator to exist. You will no doubt later claim that the world is too complex not to have a creator. Complexity, beauty, these are things we perceive in the world, they are what we as observers make of it. But there is no rule to say that these things cannot be natural . Take away all the people and there won't be paintings or watches but there will still be rabbits and grass etc. There is no proof that the universe needed or indeed had a beginning involving an intelligent "thing", or even that it had a beginning.

I think of your painting analogy, and i find it completely irrelevant in the argument towards God.

Answer 3

God are those ignorant about atheism and evolution out in force today!

The Earth isn't a painting. Its not a canvas. If your point is that everything needs a beginning, or someone to have made it, you ultimately fall flat on your face because God would have needed a creator as well.

Now you'll say that God doesn't need a creator as he's God, but energy has to come from somewhere. If a being exists, it must be in the form of some energy or matter; else, it doesn't exist. Thought is energy. Cogito Ergo Sum. If a being thinks, there is thought, and thought is energy. If everything is predicated on something else, God would have needed a beginning.

Now, to blast a whole in your theory, it's proved in science that there is no god necessary to create matter. Because of the laws of physics, and having been experimentally proved, particles and anti-particles can simply pop into existence. It's quite random, but doens't violate any laws of physics. When these particles and anti-particles come into contact, they disappear. Basically, matter and mass come into the universe for free, from nowhere.

Are we to conclude that some god is watching the scientists, and when they are looking for this phenomenon, he's thinking "Heck... they're looking now, I'll just make a pair to keep them happy?" Do we have a random particle and anti-particle making god up there somewhere? Shoot.... maybe he's got an angel in charge of that as he's so busy listening to billions of prayers each day.

It doesn't take a god to make a planet. It takes matter, which science has shown doesn't need a god to create.

Answer 4

I don't think that any atheist would be inclined to believe that a beautiful painting happened by itself. It would be pure absurdity to suggest such a thing.

As you say, "the artist let everyone know later that it was his creation"

The "artist" behind "miracles," should such an artist exist, has not come forward to claim his work, preferring to remain unknown and unknowable.

Answer 5

Atheists can explain everything up to the Big Bang with science. That's where Christians and Atheists differ, even when it comes to Christian scientists who think God did the Big Bang and set everything in motion to come out the way it has.

Atheists say that science hasn't discovered what happened before that yet, so they won't have an opinion on it because at that point it can not be explained.

Christians say God did it.

So Atheist return with, "Who created God" Who is the artist that created God then?"

The Christian says "God is Eternal"

The Atheist says "Well the same could be said for the Universe"

Neither agument beyond the big bang can be proven, they both have to rely on faith, that either God, or the Universe is Eternal.

Answer 6

First up, all the people who are answering your question by calling you or the premises stupid are themselves lacking. The concept of insulting some one to answer their question is simply away of avoiding an answer.

The other thing is that common manners say "if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all" especially to a young lady, what kind of fake men attack a young woman by calling her stupid in response to answering a question

You should be proud of yourself for asking and I would suppose an honest atheists and I suppose there are some would try to give you some kind of honest answer.

As a believer I have to say that I think you are right, whatever God you believe in if you area believer (I am a Christian) you at least believe that some one created the wonders around us, weather though Seven Days or the Big Bang and Atheists believes that the whole world is random, that everything that happens is random, and is therefore meaningless and without hope. I often wonder why they do not give into despair.



(BTW there is nothing in believing in the Big bang that says you can not believe in God...who started the explosion? and Please don’t give me that Stephen Hawking crap that when you get to the beginning of time 2 plus 2 does not equal 4. I feel as bad for Mister Hawkins condition as any one but it does nit give him the right in his anger at God to simply change the rules that he as a scientist has played by all his life)

Answer 7

If Salvation is based on faith, and if faith is believing without proof, then proving God is real undermines salvation, so in a christian viewpoint being ignorant is being blessed. Christians have no opinion on the subject because opinions are based on facts which is
contrary to their religion which is base on faith.

So the answer is that Christian would have faith that the artist would claim his own painting and Atheists would need prove as to who painted the picture before the artist could claim it. If no prove was required anyone could claim it without supporting evidence.

Answer 8

False comparison.

Your alleged artist hasn't let me know anything of the kind. Some folks wrote texts almost 2000 years ago that were combined into the Bible. Doesn't mean they're true.

If your alleged artist wants to swing by and tell me "yep, I created it all" I'm up for that.

All you KNOW is that we're here. You don't KNOW how we got here. You have a BELIEF that God set it all up. I have a BELIEF that conflicts with yours.

If you were secure in your belief, you wouldn't need to ask all these questions about mine. You might want to talk to a preacher about that, dear. Remember, my (non)belief system doesn't include an imperative to recruit others. Whatever gets you through the night, believe away. Just don't drag me into it or look down on me (hey, doesn't that Bible thing say something about "judge not..."?) or start announcing I'm going to burn in hell.

Good examples are a far more eloquent sermon than self-righteous judgments. Gee, that may be why pastors don't pick fights here about religion.

Answer 9

I can't speak for all atheists, but I believe your analogy is faulty. A painting has to be created by a human; it's impossible for it to just form.

I believe that life and the universe is a beautiful thing, but that it happened by chance. Just because something exists, doesn't mean that there is an invisible god behind it, orchestrating everything. There is no signature, because there is no painting. Life just is. No invisible god, no creator, just chance happenstance of molecules colliding together.

Answer 10

Think about the destruction and misery your beliefs have brought to many. In the name of your God whole civilizations have been destroyed through religious greed. Mayans, Aztecs, Red Indians, Africans Papuans, Australian Aboriginies.

Rape,pillage and plunder of gold and other artifacts stolen by the missionaries and soldiers of religion ( The Crusades) ( Cortez for the Pope) for gifts to the pope or cardinal advisor to a king or Queen. Even some of the modern day missionaries insist that natives wear clothes as their nakedness offends God. What poppycock! ( Morman preachers in New Guinea)

Wars incited by religion to gain land and wealth or the present day liquid Gold OIL! Not religiously caused? well Mr Bush thinks God is giving him guidance...... So perhaps you might see why so many aetheists exist. We try to distance ourselves from the sick bastards who use a God as an excuse for self gain or collective gain that removes individual rights and rites