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I have heard it claimed by some Christians that the Old Testament prophesied that Jews would reject their coming Messiah. Could someone help me out, and tell me where this is written in the Old Testament? Thanks.

2007-01-21 05:51:01 · 12 answers · asked by Wisdom in Faith 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

12 answers

Judge for yourself:
Did Jesus fulfill ALL these criteria?

The Jewish tradition of "The Messiah" has its foundation in numerous biblical references, and understands "The Messiah" to be a human being - without any overtone of deity or divinity - who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as "The Messiah".
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First of all, he must be Jewish - "...you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you." (Deuteronomy 17:15)

He must be a member of the tribe of Judah - "The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet..." (Genesis 49:10)

To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.

He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - "And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever..." (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13)

The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!

He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -"And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12)

Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?

He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - "...and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them.." (Ezekiel 37:26 - 27)

At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!

He will rule at a time of world-wide peace - "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." (Micah 4:3)

Have you seen a newspaper lately? Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?

He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d's commandments - "My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes." (Ezekiel 37:24)

The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.

He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d - "And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd" (Isaiah 66:23)

there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.

All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children's children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be "The Messiah." A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, no one has fulfilled every condition.

Certainly NOT Jesus.
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2007-01-21 06:25:04 · answer #1 · answered by Hatikvah 7 · 0 4

It also says they would be Redeemed in the latter day. Revelation 14, says 144,000 out of each tribe of Jews will be saved. Matthew 13:14 about his coming and being born in Bethlehem was recorded in Genesis 3:15 and Isaiah 7:14. Jesus shed His blood for the remission of sin i Hebrews 9:22 as kinsman Redeemer.Isaiah 9:5-9 and that He would be rejected among His brethren would did no accept Him in Isaiah 53:3 a Man of sorrows. The wonderful Counselor was Crucified in Matthew Chapters 24, tell Jew and Gentile what to be looking for and Israel became a Nation around 1947 Chapters 27 and 28 tell of the Crucifixtion and his trial.

Other Non Christian sources of History are:
Thallus, Julius Africanus, Cornelius Tactitus, Pliny the Younger, Hadrian, Suetorius, Phlegnon. Cornelius Tacitus by the way, wrote about it to put down the risistance in Rome, when Chrstians were accused by Nero of terrorism.

2007-01-21 06:26:54 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Isaiah 53

2007-01-21 05:56:07 · answer #3 · answered by HAND 5 · 3 0

I do not really need a prophesy. By studying the Jewish history, whether based on history itself or the old testament, they have and always will reject any Messiah.

Have you not learnt anything from the hard time and grieve they gave to Moses; corruption and constant nagging and complaining?!!! I prey to God I am wrong.

2007-01-21 06:09:31 · answer #4 · answered by Aadel 3 · 0 1

Read Isaiah 53

2007-01-21 08:28:57 · answer #5 · answered by wannaknow 5 · 1 0

Yes and No.

In Isaiah, Christ coming and rejection is foretold, but not in the context of your question.

What was prophesied was that Israel would reject God and be broken as a nation. It was. Israel became Israel and Judah (2 countries, 2 Kings.) Once split they were conquered by just about anyone that wanted the territory. Isreal lost all political power as a nation, but as a dominant sect under Roman control at the time of Christ, Jews still had political muscle and the Roman Governor needed their cooperation to maintain order and his budget with the troops he was alloted. (nothing really changes, does it?)

That Jewish leadership was threatened by Christ for several reasons. You can read the new testament to find out the historical / polictical reasoning and also much is historically documented. But in short Christ had a human lineage to David and he meet many of the tests of propecy. Yikes! If the people continued to embraced him, where would the politicians of the day be left?

So the leadership rejected Jesus. But, individually, many Jews didn't.

Much of the original church were Jewish in origin. The heritage is still evident in the way most Christians support their brethren in Israel politically. Its entwined into our faith heritage.

But, repeated over and over in the New Testament, in Christ, their is no Jew or Gentile. Our heritage is united by faith through Imanuel ("God with us".) who is called Jesus and we all become one people with one heritage.

While some so called Christian sects have called Jews "Christ murderers", their hate is of man and has nothing to do with the salvation of Christ offered to each individual regardless of background or heritage.

Christ's slaying was simply a magnification of sacrifice that Isreal had performed for thousands of years. Why God chose a particular people to reveal Himself in, I certainly can't tell you.

Regardess, most all Jews believe they are special to the God of Abraham and that transends time, including their acts of faith and faithlessness as a people.

With Jesus, every act of sin and faithlessness is not only removed from God's eye, but is forgotten.

WOW! The God of Abraham is truly a merciful God.

Please don't judge God or his Son by the failures of religions. Judaism, Christian or any other.

I invite you to read Isaiah then, HEBREWS in the new testament. Hebrews is a very uncomfortable testament, but it was written to Jews by Jewish followers of Christ for those struggling with their man made conflicts of religion between being Jewish or Christian. Pray to the God of Abraham before reading, that He reveal to you the questions of your heart.

Peace for the City of David and for Israel

2007-01-21 06:41:42 · answer #6 · answered by pcee37130 1 · 1 1

i'm Jewish and hate impolite solutions too. you have your perception and that i comprehend it as i might desire you comprehend mine. Jesus' awareness got here from previous testomony writings and as such must be respected by way of all. so a procedures as we are worried, Jesus did no longer fill the must haves for the Messiah. confident, I even have study the previous testomony many many situations. as a procedures because of the fact the recent testomony is going, I even have study that too. in spite of the undeniable fact that, i ought to remind you that it {NT} grow to be written after Jesus died.

2016-10-07 12:22:02 · answer #7 · answered by milak 4 · 0 0

The first Christians were Jews and Jesus himself was a Jew. So Jew both rejected Jesus and accepted him.

Messiah in the Hebrew Scriptures. At Daniel 9:25, 26 the word ma·shi´ach applies exclusively to the coming Messiah. (See SEVENTY WEEKS.) However, many other texts of the Hebrew Scriptures also point to this coming One, even if not exclusively so. For instance, Psalm 2:2 evidently had first application at the time when Philistine kings tried to unseat anointed King David. But a second application, to the foretold Messiah, is established by Acts 4:25-27, where the text is applied to Jesus Christ. Also, many of the men called “anointed” in various ways prefigured, or pictured, Jesus Christ and the work he would do; among these were David, the high priest of Israel, and Moses (spoken of as “Christ” at Heb 11:23-26).

Prophecies not using “Messiah.” Numerous other Hebrew Scripture texts that do not specifically mention “Messiah” were understood by the Jews as prophecies applying to that one. Alfred Edersheim located 456 passages to which the “ancient Synagogue referred as Messianic,” and there were 558 references in the most ancient rabbinic writings supporting such applications. (The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, 1906, Vol. I, p. 163; Vol. II, pp. 710-737) As an example, Genesis 49:10 prophesied that the ruling scepter would belong to the tribe of Judah and that Shiloh would come through that line. The Targum of Onkelos, the Jerusalem Targums, and the Midrash all recognize the expression “Shiloh” as applying to the Messiah.

The Hebrew Scriptures contain many prophecies that provide details about the Messiah’s background, time of appearance, activities, treatment by others, and place in God’s arrangement. The various indications about the Messiah thus combined to form one grand picture that would help true worshipers to identify him. This would provide a basis for faith in him as the true Leader sent by Jehovah. Though the Jews did not recognize ahead of time all the prophecies that related to the Anointed One, the evidence in the Gospels shows that they had sufficient knowledge by which to recognize the Messiah when he did appear.

Understanding in the First Century C.E. The historical information available reveals a general picture of the extent of understanding about the Messiah prevalent among Jews in the first century of the Common Era. Primarily this information is gleaned from the Gospels.

King and son of David. It was commonly accepted among the Jews that the Messiah would be a king of the line of David. When the astrologers asked about “the one born king of the Jews,” Herod the Great knew that they were asking about “the Christ.” (Mt 2:2-4) Jesus questioned the Pharisees as to whose descendant the Christ, or Messiah, would be. Though those religious leaders did not believe in Jesus, they knew that the Messiah would be David’s son.—Mt 22:41-45.

Born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2, 4 had indicated that out of Bethlehem would come one to be “ruler in Israel” who would “be great as far as the ends of the earth.” This was understood to refer to the Messiah. When Herod the Great asked the chief priests and scribes where the Messiah was to be born, they answered, “In Bethlehem of Judea,” and quoted Micah 5:2. (Mt 2:3-6) And even some of the common people knew this.—Joh 7:41, 42.

A prophet who would perform many signs. Through Moses, God had foretold the coming of a great prophet. (De 18:18) In Jesus’ day Jews were waiting for this one. (Joh 6:14) The way in which the apostle Peter used Moses’ words, at Acts 3:22, 23, indicates he knew they would be accepted as Messianic in nature even by religious opposers, and this gives evidence of widespread understanding of Deuteronomy 18:18. The Samaritan woman by the well also thought the Messiah would be a prophet. (Joh 4:19, 25, 29) People expected the Messiah to perform signs.—Joh 7:31.

Some variety in beliefs. It is evident that even though knowledge about the coming Messiah was common among the Jews, not all persons had the same knowledge or understanding about that one. For instance, though many knew that he would come from Bethlehem, some did not. (Mt 2:3-6; Joh 7:27) Some believed the Prophet to be separate from the Christ. (Joh 1:20, 21; 7:40, 41) Certain prophecies about the Messiah were not understood, even by Jesus’ disciples. This was particularly true about those prophecies dealing with the Messiah’s rejection, suffering, death, and resurrection. (Isa 53:3, 5, 12; Ps 16:10; Mt 16:21-23; 17:22, 23; Lu 24:21; Joh 12:34; 20:9) Yet once these things had taken place and the prophecies had been explained, his disciples and even ones who were not yet disciples began to appreciate the prophetic nature of these texts in the Hebrew Scriptures. (Lu 24:45, 46; Ac 2:5, 27, 28, 31, 36, 37; 8:30-35) Since the fact that the Messiah had to suffer and die was not recognized by most Jews, this point was stressed by early Christians when preaching to Jews.—Ac 3:18; 17:1-3; 26:21-23.

2007-01-21 06:00:58 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

I believe there were several OT (predictions) prophesies that several false prophets would be be coming and getting rejected. (Which by the way did happen. In fact, a roman historian, Josephus, recorded that after Jesus was crucified the Jewish Pharasees promoted a Messiah, but he bombed on his first speech) (Then he ran off with the "farmers daughter".)

2007-01-21 05:57:42 · answer #9 · answered by MrsOcultyThomas 6 · 0 3

VERY NAUGHTY FIGS

Jew in the Hebrew (yehudiy) means “of the tribe of Judah”.
Jew in the Greek (Ioudaios) means “of the tribe of Judah or a resident of Judea”.
Judah is only one tribe of Israel (Jacob).

During and after the Babylonian captivity, many infiltrated the Levitical priesthood or said they were of Judah. Ezra on the trip back to Jerusalem wrote.

NONE OF THE SONS OF LEVI

Ezra 8:15 And I gathered them together to the river that runneth to Ahava; and there abode we in tents three days: and I viewed the people, and the priests, and found there none of the sons of Levi.

This is also illustrated in the parable, the two baskets of figs (Jer.24:1-10). One basket of good figs and one basket of naughty figs. So by the time Christ came along things were very rotten.

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Matt.23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to His disciples, Matt.23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

The scribes and Pharisees sit in authority, they have taken over. Then Christ tells them to observe (inwardly), for they say and do not. Later Christ calls them hypocrites.

Matt.23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

In the Greek (hupokrites) means “an actor, stage player”. They are playing a role.

So many Biblically illiterates slander Judah, when it was the basket of naughty figs.

In Revelation Christ tells the church of Smyrna and Philadelphia.

WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS

Rev.2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev.3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Wayne Murray

2007-01-21 06:01:56 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Isaiah 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. (10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? (11) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. (12) For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. (13) Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: (15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

2007-01-21 05:59:55 · answer #11 · answered by Martin S 7 · 0 0

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