does anyone have evidence of styles such as aikido hapkido kung fu ever working in a fight?

Question

against another trained opponent, im always putting these styles down because ther is so much video evidence on other styles being much more dominant ie brazilian jui jitsu muay thai. sambo, especially nowaday with mma (pridefc, ufc) alot of people claim kung fu doesnt enter because they use eye gouges i find this strange because if u eye gouge on the street u going to spend alot of time behind bars, any opinions? does any one have first hand account of there effectiveness? cheers

Answer 1

My answer to this question is no it does not work. For example I will show you the example of Gracie Jiu Jitsu. Brazil has the highest crime rates in the world and the streetfighting was common place for the Gracie brothers. As others have mentioned there are no rules in a street fights and the gracies have been in literally hundreds of streetfights. Unfortunately there are very few videos if any when these occur but I will tell you they have proved their martial art superior. Many old timers out there will tell you otherwise because it hurts to train in any certain style for many years and see your fellow combatants be defeated time after time by a certain style. The gracies would put full page ads challenging any martial arts style fighters to no rules combat(eye gouging, biting, hair pulling alllowed) on the street or at their academy. In one instance Renzo Gracie fought over 10 blackbelts in his garage from different martial arts backgrounds and defeated them all in matter of hours. Here is link to a no rules fight between an undefeated kung fu expert vs. Royce Gracie at their academy in Brazil.

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&p=kung+fu+gracie&b=0&oid=49f8e2b01af2468e&rurl=www.shaolinwolf.com&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fvideo%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dkung%2Bfu%2Bgracie

Answer 2

Every martial arts can be efficient, but if you are looking for a perfect method in order to become invincible. You won't find one.
In mma there are some rules, for example you can't pock an eye or pull the hair or pinch the skin. Brazilian ju jitsu focuses on ground fight, it is something which is not prevalent in other martial art exept judo, that's why brazilian ju jitsu is efficient in mma. Just imagin if suddenly it become possible to pinch the skin, pock an eye or pull the hair during a ground fight, probably the result will be that the two opponents get up quickly ready to fight again but in a standing position. MMa is a tournament with rules because it is a business. When you are in the street there are no rules.you can use whatever you want. a perfect method doesn't exist but knowing martial techniques can help.

Answer 3

I would say karate and a place that is heavily oriented towards self-defense or has a good self-defense program. I say this because some of the other arts you mention like Judo and jujitsu involve grappling and tying up with your opponent. They can be effective but also when not and where they aren't they can also make it harder for you to run and get away which is an important aspect I think in any street situation. A stand-up art like karate will allow for a little more opportunity to do that if needed and so that is why I would favor that over some of these others. That ability and a situation where you might face multiple opponents and can't afford to tie up with one and engage him for any length of time really mean you have to try to stay on your feet and not wrestle or grapple with one while the other or others overpower you.

Answer 4

Hi there

There's are few questions here rolled into one?

First of all UFC and martial arts don't mix!
Different kinds of training. You may think that's silly answer but let me explain.

If you want to learn how to win UFC then you need to find a club that trains for that sort of thing. Brazilian Jujutsu which seems to be the flavour at the moment is better suited to UFC because that's what it was designed for! I have yet to see any Japanese Koryu Jujutsu people rolling around on the floor with their legs in the air its just not what they do.

Akido does it work?
Yes but not the forms only the principles from the forms. Most Police forces are trained in either Akido or Jujustu methods so there's your answer.

Kung fu consists mostly of impact striking or kicking so again yes it also works .

regards

idai

Answer 5

As far as anything on video or the like no. However I have studied Kung fu and Aikido (along with several other styles) for many years and have used them both in no-holes barred fighing and in situation when my life depended on those skills and I can only say that I retired undefeated after 12 years of competition and, well...I'm still alive so there must be some effectiveness to the techniques.

Answer 6

you watch to much tv/video/dvd/youtube.on the street you do what you have to do at the time.if you gouge someone's eye out because they spilt your drink you should be in jail.if you gouge someone's eye out because you were walking down an alley and he attacked you well he deserves to have his eye gouged out,and i would consider that getting off lightly,unless there's witnesses.i may have misinterpreted your question then but my point is still the same.even with limited rules fights you don't really go in there to kill or maim your opponent you go in there to win.unfortunately things do happen sometimes intentional sometimes accidental.that's a risk you take in the ring.dominant in the ring isn't necessarily the same on the street.it all works it's just how far you want to go.personally i keep my mouth shut and my hands to myself but when i do what i have to do there's no holding back.i'm there to break whatever i can as quick as i can and i only punch if i have to.i'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Answer 7

I would say that... you get out of...what you put in... most martial arts that I have been involved with (hap ki do & Aikido) place the emphasis on avoiding physical confrontation. That being said... Aikido (My current practice) requires a great deal of time learning/practicing relaxation so that, in the face of confrontation, you do not allow the anxiety, fear, adrenalin, make your decisions.

Sensei says... an Aikido competion would be the most boring thing to watch... because to avoid conflict is to win... therefore if two Aikido combatants face each other... they would just stand and smile at each other...

As an extension of that, Aikido philosophy suggests that conflict should end as quickly as possible. therefore unless the opponent is trained in some other form of martial art to protect themselves a "street fighter" would soon be on his way to the hospital. If you use the UFC as an example... who would watch if an Aikido 3rd Dan stepped into the ring tossed his opponent to the mat and had a submission hold in the first 20 seconds... Not that you would find an Aikido Dan at such an event.

Aikido is "unadorned martial arts" there is no kicking, no punching, no blocking (hand to hand anyway) simply taking your attackers energy, force...momentum and redirecting it away. In my mind other martial arts invite conflict based on the need for many blows to be struck... or favouring an "attack" as the best defense. (explain that to a judge).

You won't see video evidence of Aikido working for one simple reason...it works best when each involved walks away unharmed.

Answer 8

Just because there's no video doesn't mean there's no proof. Google Master Pan Qing Fu. If you're impressed exploits in the ring of your favorite MMA fighter, have them charge a gang's headquarters and try to walk out with the leader (who is BTW surrounded by armed, fight to the death hoodlums) to hand him to the police (who BTW, wouldn't want to get in on the action). He was so notorious in the ring yet was relied upon by the police to help bust up close to 2 dozen gangs. And yes, he practiced kung fu. May you never be on the receiving end of his joint-busting holds.

Answer 9

At age 7, after 18 months training in Ju Jitsu (not Brazilian), my daughter beat off three attackers aged 8-9 but they weren't trained.

(To be accurate, she physically beat two of them, using a single attack for each, the other one saw what was happening and ran away.)

But to confirm what others have said, a fight is best won by not being there.

Answer 10

kung fu uses more than eye strikes being a martial (fighting art) it attacks any target appropriate for the level of confrontation, ie wouldn't eye strike a drunk uncle at a party. there are many other targets groin, throat, knee that are not permitted in the "no rules" tormaments.
A student I assisted training (kung fu) for approx 8 months (3 nights a week) sucessfully defended himself against 2 attackers without the need to cause permanent damage.