It seems you atheists who post in R&S have raised... no, /lowered/ the straw man fallacy to a whole new level.
2007-01-21 11:50:00
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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Well, talk about hubris! Your generalization is stated as fact to support your hope that atheists have it right. The fact that your faith questions the existence of a God and concludes that there is no God is the same faith others put forth to believe there is a God. There is no difference. Since proof cannot and does not exist to answer the question once and for all, it is left to each of us to decide. Organized religion by its very nature creates a dependency on the religion, the church and the pastor/rabbi/priest/etc. One does not adhere to catholicism to pull away from the church's teachings and laws. Muslim's do not become muslims to try to find reasons not to follow the laws set forth in the religion. Same with all other religions. Same with organizations created to serve atheists. Now in all religions and organizations and political parties ad nauseum there are extremists that try to tear down the original structures and they are often successful in doing so - a delusional group that finds an audience because of dependency issues. Tread very carefully in any area of this subject matter and for heavens sake keep the intellect in check. So, I conclude there is no difference between God believers and atheists.
2007-01-20 21:59:15
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answered by ALWAYS GOTTA KNOW 5
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I know it is hard to grasp, but it is also hard to understand, so I am going to try and explain some.
While it is nice to have the comfort, it isn't a lack of self-confidence that brings people to god. I don't blame people, people have trouble believing in something they have never seen. One reason a lot of people acknowledge a surpreme being is morals (though this is one of many, so if it doesn't suit you, don't stop reading). If there is no god, there is no humane right or wrong. If there is no right or wrong, well, then, can't we do anything? I could kill someone. If there are no rules, no judge, then it doesn't matter. There would be no point to foollowing them if they DID exist.
A lot of people don't believe in a god because they think science disproves one. This is actually untrue. A lot of scince points to a creater. To learn more about evidence that supports a god, you could read The Case for a Creator by Lee Stroble, a once-athiestic journalist who set out to try and prove there is no god. It is really interesting, and contains lots of information in an interesting way. It is not a boring read.
I am trying to be unbiased, but you saying that people who believe in a god are lacking in self-confidence. I know a lot of ppl who believe in a god, and they aren't lacking in self-confidence any more than athiests.
I hope these help you see it a different way, and I hope you don't feel like I am biased.
2007-01-20 21:52:48
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answered by Nora 2
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I think this way. Well I believe one
God gave us three things to help us find him
1. Conscience
2. Good Dreams
3. His Son.
I want to concentrate on the Good dreams in relation to what u asked. Now yes in some ways u are right the difference between the way an atheist an a christian think are almost how u put it without the further psychology that u added in. We believe. It is that simple we believe in Good Dreams. By that I mean our innate desire for something more than ourselves something wonderful beautiful good magnificent almost magical yes i know scoff all u want. But that is the difference we have sought after something beautiful and magnificent and found God. That is where all our Good Dreams came from. And i suppose for atheist they do not believe in their Good dreams they see them as just that dreams fantasies so they will not seek and find the God who put the dreams in them in the first place.
Love,
mmmk92
2007-01-20 21:53:46
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answered by mmmk92 2
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Isn't it funny how we are the only beings on the earth that take almost 2 decades to mature to the point at which we can take care of ourselves? And how in these days we're living in more and more adults in between the ages of 35 and 45 are returning to their parent's homes because they've hit a brick wall or a dead end in life? And how the number of people claiming to be Atheist is growing along side this phenomenon? Is there a correlation?
2007-01-20 21:54:57
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answered by hisgloryisgreat 6
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My friend, don't mistake confidence for pride. I am very much capable in thinking for myself, and don't believe in imaginary friends. The God I believe in is based on my personal experience with Him, not some preconcieved notion or comforting device used to buffer insecurities I may or may not have. I was diagnosed with an incurable chronic disease. I was tested twice to confirm the results. I was annointed and prayed fervently with an agony I can't describe to the point of tears. I went for a third test. The lupus was gone.
2007-01-20 21:44:15
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answer #6
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answered by Anonymous
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Many scientists see religion as central to human existence. The Anglo-Polish anthropologist Bronislaw Malinowski wrote, "Religion gives man hope of immortality and the ritual means of achieving it; it reveals the existence of God or Providence and tells how communication can be established; it affirms the meaning of the world and the purpose of life; and, through its sacraments, it allows men to obtain a greater fullness of life. Religion gives man the mastery of his fate, even as science gives him the control of natural forces."
Religion offers answers to anxiety about the unknown, which seems to be a basic human trait. Philosopher Andre LeCocque remarks, "The human being is a creature that worries."
Certainly a sense of awe before the power and beauty of nature is central to religious faith. Spiritual revelations have provided both solace in times of uncertainty and inspiration for great art. Religious rituals also help to build cohesive societies by imbuing social and moral rules with sacred value.
2007-01-20 21:59:00
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answer #7
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answered by Wisdom Lies in the Heart 3
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Religion is nothing more than a safety blanket and "hereafter" insurance for the weak minded.
They float in the clouds. Oops, weve been there recently, no angels, or heaven, just gases. Lol.
Some people can't handle reality.
2007-01-21 14:04:28
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answered by Anonymous
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A truly confident person doesn't have the need to vent on others. Why do you keep attacking Christianity, Mr. Confident? Why are you so interested and concerned with their beliefs? Afterall, you don't believe in it...or do you??? So why care? Honestly!!!! You protest so loudly!!!!
2007-01-20 22:02:12
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answered by honiebyrd 4
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Academics viewing the universe through a narrow scope should rethink assumptions
Dallas Morning News
By Roy Abraham Varghese
December 15, 2004
Last week, The Associated Press broke the news that the most famous atheist in the academic world over the last half-century, Professor Antony Flew of England's University of Reading, now accepts the existence of God.
Mr. Flew's best-known plaint for atheism, "Theology and Falsification," was delivered in 1950 to the Socratic Club, chaired by none other than C.S. Lewis. This paper went on to become the most widely reprinted philosophical publication of the last five decades and set the agenda for modern atheism.
Now, in a remarkable reversal, Mr. Flew holds that the universe was brought into being by an infinite intelligence.
"What I think the DNA material has done is show that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements together," he said. "The enormous complexity by which the results were achieved look to me like the work of intelligence."
Given the conventional wisdom of some psychologists that people rarely, if ever, change their worldview after the age of 30, this radical new position adopted by an 81-year-old thinker may seem startling.
But Mr. Flew's change was consistent with his career-long principle of following the evidence where it led him. And his newfound theism is the product neither of a Damascus road experience nor of fresh philosophical arguments, but by his sustained analysis of scientific data.
Mr. Flew's conclusion is consistent with the actual beliefs of most modern scientific pioneers, from Albert Einstein to quantum physicists like Max Planck and Werner Heisenberg. In their view, the intelligence of the universe - its laws - points to an intelligence that has no limitation - "a superior mind," as Einstein put it.
Not a few of our men and women of letters, it would seem, have been looking for God in all the wrong places. Those who dismiss God as a product of psychological conditioning or pre-scientific myth-making have not come to terms with the essential assumptions underlying the scientific enterprise.
Science assumes that the universe follows laws, which leads to the question of how the laws of nature came into being. How does the electron know what to do? In A Brief History of Time, Stephen Hawking asks what breathes fire into the equations of science and gives a universe for them to describe. The answer to the question of why the universe exists, he concluded, would reveal to us "the mind of God."
Last May, I helped organize a New York University symposium on religion and science, with the participation of Mr. Flew and others. Our starting point was science's new knowledge that the universe's history is a story of quantum leaps of intelligence, the sudden yet systematic appearance of intrinsically intelligent systems arranged in an ascending order.
Many people assume that the intelligence in the universe somehow evolved out of nonintelligence, given chance and enough time, and in the case of living beings, through natural selection and random mutation. But even in the most hardheadedly materialistic scenario, intelligence and intelligent systems come fully formed from day one.
Matter came with all its ingenious, mathematically precise laws from the time it first appeared. Life came fully formed with the incredibly intelligent symbol processing of DNA, the astonishing phenomenon of protein-folding and the marvel of replication from its very first appearance. Language, the incarnation of conceptual thought with its inexplicable structure of syntax, symbols and semantics, appeared out of the blue, again with its essential infrastructure as is from day one.
The evidence we have shows unmistakably that there was no progressive, gradual evolution of nonintelligence into intelligence in any of the fundamental categories of energy, life or mind. Each one of the three had intrinsically intelligent structures from the time each first appeared. Each, it would seem, proceeds from an infinitely intelligent mind in a precise sequence.
We can, if we want, declare that there is no reason why there are reasonable laws, no explanation for the fact there are explanations, no logic underlying logical processes. But this is manifestly not the conclusion adopted by Einstein, Heisenberg and, most recently, Antony Flew.
Roy Abraham Varghese of Garland is the author of The Wonder of the World: A Journey from Modern Science to the Mind of God (Tyr Publishing). He helped organize presentations by Antony Flew in Dallas on two occasions. Readers may contact Mr. Varghese through tyrpublishing.com.
2007-01-20 23:40:32
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answered by free2bme55 3
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