To those claim the world is so complex, it had to have a creator, I say that the creator would have to be even

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more complex to make the world, and therefore using your own argument, someone had to make God because he is so complex. So who made God, and reread the question before you give me a dumb foolish answer.

Answer 1

And then who created the entity that created God and so forth? I'm assuming this question was meant to highlight the foolishness of ID/creationsism. Good job.

Answer 2

The question is not whether the world is so complex that it needed a creator, but that it is too complex to rely on evolution. As for God, I guess you just have to trust that he just is.

But beyond looking at the whole world as being too complex, instead look inward at the very thing you are using to come up with this question, the human brain.

Studies, like that done by the University of Michigan, and features in the Discovery Channel program, The Amazing Life of the Human Brain, shows just how amazing the human brain is.

Every second while awake, we are absorbing 40MBs of data per second. That’s 144 gigabytes per hour and about 2 terabytes per day. That’s a lot of data even for the largest computer. When we sleep at night, and only at night or under nighttime conditions, all that data is sorted and stored through the creation of synaptic connectors and biochemical bounds. The brain has enough volume to allow for the creation of these storage connectors to last over 10,000 years.

Without the need of a creator, what evolutionary pressure could cause the need for this much volume that would take that long to fill? Clearly, man was either created by God to live that long, or if evolve, once lived that long, and has since de-evolved to what we are today. Which do you think it is?

Evolution does take place, in that animals have evolved and humans have de-evolved since the time of the creation. Many divergent species are related, such as the Meerkat/Hyena and the Lion/House cat. A house cat can breed with a lion, I wonder if the same is possible the Hyena and Meerkat?

This is why I believe in God. I use the brain he gave me, and designed for me, to determine something beyond imagining.

Answer 3

and when the christian says that only god doesn't need a creator they inadvertantly admit that it IS possible to exist without being created... so the same logic there can apply to the whole of the universe. it can have always existed without a cause, just like their god. the only difference is we know our universe exists.

also, how can we know that the universe requires a designer? what do WE know of complexity? have we ever seen a less complex universe? a more complex? is it out of the question to assume that we live in one SIMPLE universe? Hydrogen is attracted to Oxygen and creates a lot of water. these attractions occur naturally because of the transfer of energy. blow that up to a macrocosmic scale and you'll see that it is entirely possible that the creation of the universe was not a 1 in a zillion chance, but more likely a 1 in 1 chance. after the next big crunch then big bang, it will happen again even as it happened this go around.

Answer 4

Your question omits a very important aspect of God.

Yes, He naturally would be more complex than the people He created, but He also is a spirit and lives in a different realm. Therefore you're dealing with different rules. (They are invisible, but can appear to people; They're not subject to gravity or walls; They don't die; etc.). I know angels and demons are also spirits, but God made them too.

So, to answer your question; Who made God? I can't say for sure, but the Bible says that He is the only God and that He has no beginning or end. I may not be able to understand or explain this from a human point of view, but this is an issue I have to accept by faith; And no, I'm not talking about blind faith. My faith comes from the fact that God has told me things that I've found to be true, therefore, I can trust Him because He hasn't lied to me. Just like a child would have faith in their parents.

Logic also plays a part in believing that the universe has a creator. Normally, things go to a lower state of complexity, or entropy, not a higher one. To say that we evolved from a lower state implies that going to a higher state is the norm, because it would have to happen over and over again each time something new comes along.

Answer 5

I don't have a dog in this fight. I have more important and immediate intellectual investments to make. However, the problem with your question is the same as those who ask from the opposite point of view. It isn't intellecutally honest. You're not asking because you want a compelling argument and if you get one you are likely to dismiss it because it doesn't fit your world view. Even so what you have in common with the creationists is that you want it both ways more often than Dennis Rodman so I'll endulge you...

You have supported your "question" with a sort of backwards view of Newton's second law of thermodynamics. If everything we observe in nature is subject to decay in the absence of a sustaining force then of course, the creation can never be greater than the creator. Creating something greater than what you are would be an obvious violation of this physically accepted truth. That being said, the edge cuts both ways... If all things decay, wind down, succumb to inertia and errode away, your brand of evolution is going in the wrong direction. It would be more Newtonian to speculate that all lower forms of life were the De-Evolved product of those in a higher order.

I respectfully suggest that you are battling between intellectual and moral superiority (the position of the evolutionist and creationist, respectively). You aren't going to change their minds any more than they will change yours. Beating each other up with poorly defined circular logic serves no one. At the end of the day truth on this subject is subjective. The world would be a better place if people on both sides of the argument would recognize it.

Answer 6

You have quita a point. Maybe the people who say the world is complex don't believe in God. There are complex, and smart, people who had stupid parents. Maybe some talant. But Leonardo da Vinci, for example. His mom was a peasant, and therefore did not recieve an outstanding education. For all we know, she couldn't read. I have a guess she wasn't a genius. His dad was a normal painter and noble man. Nothing incredibly special. Yet we know a lot about Leonardo, and little about the mother. We only know her first name. The parents weren't so complex. The parents of actors (who can actually act) aren't always so special. Stupid people don't always have less complex parents. Stupid peoples's parents might be geniuses.

It's called faith. God was just there. Since the VERY beginning of time, not just when the world was made.

Answer 7

In fact if you look around you, you'll see that only relatively simple things were the product of intentional design. The complexity argument gets things EXACTLY backwards, and it is only human arrogance that prevents people from seeing that fact.

We assume despite massive evidence to the contrary that mindless processes can only produce relatively simple things, and that everything of a certain level of complexity and up must be the product of intelligence. But almost everything around you illustrates that it is exactly the other way around. Life is FAR more complex than are the things that human beings have produced through intentional design.

On top of that, human designers are starting to realize that the best way to design really complex things is to rely on evolution - on mindless mechanisms of variation and selection. One of the most promising systems of producing accurate economic models relies on evolution. So do quite a few methods of producing computer algorithms. Far from from being mere untested theory, evolution is the source of commercially-viable products.

Answer 8

Humanity see physical things with their physical eyes and the invisible or spiritual things with their spiritual sight.
Both physical and spiritual sights have to be developed and assisted to see more mysteries of the phyical and spiritual realities.
The physical eyes could not see the shape of the earth, now with the aid of the telescope, the spacecraft, the human education, they can see. They cannot see the shape of the universe yet, so they need more development and aid to see later.
For spiritual realities mankind must behave the same way with their spiritual sight. Human and spiritual education will enable mankind to realize more and more clearly the existence of their Supreme Creator, the One True God.

Answer 9

No one. We used God as a temporary scapegoat to our existence. We our evolutionized by millions of years of baterium forming and growing. We made God into a theory that made us feel more humane and like we had a purpose. In basis we are equivalent in the Order of Life to that of an ant or single cell. No one made God because God does not exist. There is no divine entity. The world IS complex and it's creator is Chance. Everything relied on circumstances and luck. These pieces fell into place and played out into what we see before us. We were given this gift to see life and live through it inveitably to see our downfall. Good question

Answer 10

Brenda, I love you. But seriously, I hope you're not awaiting any enlightening answers. Faith blinds. Which means you'll never get a reasonable answer to any question that provokes thought. Either you'll get reported, or you'll receive plenty of answers like "jesus is the light and the truth". Or you'll receive no answers at all. Good news is - it's a great question. Bad news - no stars -from Christians.