Do you think this California anti spanking bill will pass? Looks like NO so far?

Question

Thank Goodness there are still parents with a good enough head on their shoulders to vote this down. Granted it has to get passed Schwarzenegger (which I doubt he will turn is back on the people who put him there)

Lastly looking at this poll in the most liberal area of California (the bay area) It looks like parents who use spanking as a corrective tool are safe, at least for now they are.

This congresswoman is messing with the wrong people. 91% of the people out there would not want this law, because either they (like me) believe in spanking, and use it with their children. Or they don't want the government telling us how to raise our children. Either way I will be happy when this bill finds it rightful place, THE TRASH CAN
Who's with me!!!


Also did you know, this woman has NO children. lol
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/16503794.htm?source=rss

http://forums.mercurynews.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-politics&msg=494.1&ctx=11

Would the following perosn who set up accounts for all these people please get a live. Do you think we don't know what your doing?????
Please

maria s
eliza g
sweet
Tamira
hailie d
bethany b
Kateline
Mary-Kate J
Isabel
abelina
michael
joanna d

Two more for the list, lol

Mary-Kate J
katrina

THANKS FaerieWhings, your right, i missed the very first one. I don't know what could possibly drive someone to have 15 or so accounts, lol.

garret s,

Answer 1

This is sad. That one person got so obsessed with your question that they posted 14 times, I think maybe even 15 because the first answer is pretty fishy sounding as well. And then Heaven actually doesn't hear the sarcasm and pseudo psycho babble in the answers that she assumes are people thinking that they should be allowed to spank their child(ren). I'm in NY, but this no spanking law is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. Pretty soon we aren't even going to be able to take away privileges from our children when they misbehave. I will be the one raising my child, not the state. Thank you.

Answer 2

Spanking doesn't improve the child's behavior anyway.Why should we use it?Many times we have heard parents say, "The more we spank the more he misbehaves." Spanking makes a child's behavior worse, not better. Here's why. Remember the basis for promoting desirable behavior: The child who feels right acts right. Spanking undermines this principle. A child who is hit feels wrong inside and this shows up in his behavior. The more he misbehaves, the more he gets spanked and the worse he feels. The cycle continues. We want the child to know that he did wrong, and to feel remorse, but to still believe that he is a person who has value.
The Cycle of Misbehavior
Misbehavior Worse behavior Spanking Decreased self-esteem, anger
One of the goals of disciplinary action is to stop the misbehavior immediately, and spanking may do that. It is more important to create the conviction within the child that he doesn't want to repeat the misbehavior (i.e, internal rather than external control). One of the reasons for the ineffectiveness of spanking in creating internal controls is that during and immediately after the spanking, the child is so preoccupied with the perceived injustice of the physical punishment (or maybe the degree of it he's getting) that he "forgets" the reason for which he was spanked. Sitting down with him and talking after the spanking to be sure he's aware of what he did can be done just as well (if not better) without the spanking part. Alternatives to spanking can be much more thought-and-conscience-provoking for a child, but they may take more time and energy from the parent. This brings up a main reason why some parents lean toward spanking—it's easier.

Answer 3

Hahahaha do people STILL use spanking as "discipline"?!Jesus,we live in 21st century!Look at at least one reson not to spank!
HITTING DEVALUES THE PARENT
Parents who spank-control or otherwise abusively punish their children often feel devalued themselves because deep down they don't feel right about their way of discipline. Often they spank (or yell) in desperation because they don't know what else to do, but afterward feel more powerless when they find it doesn't work. As one mother who dropped spanking from her correction list put it, "I won the battle, but lost the war. My child now fears me, and I feel I've lost something precious."
Spanking also devalues the role of a parent. Being an authority figure means you are trusted and respected, but not feared. Lasting authority cannot be based on fear. Parents or other caregivers who repeatedly use spanking to control children enter into a lose-lose situation. Not only does the child lose respect for the parent, but the parents also lose out because they develop a spanking mindset and have fewer alternatives to spanking. The parent has fewer preplanned, experience-tested strategies to divert potential behavior, so the child misbehaves more, which calls for more spanking. This child is not being taught to develop inner control.
Hitting devalues the parent-child relationship. Corporal punishment puts a distance between the spanker and the spankee. This distance is especially troubling in home situations where the parent-child relationship may already be strained, such as single-parent homes or blended families. While some children are forgivingly resilient and bounce back without a negative impression on mind or body, for others it's hard to love the hand that hits them.

Answer 4

Sure it has to be removed as a 'discipline resort'.It is funny to call hurting discipline.
HITTING DEVALUES THE CHILD
The child's self-image begins with how he perceives that others – especially his parents – perceive him Even in the most loving homes, spanking gives a confusing message, especially to a child too young to understand the reason for the whack. Parents spend a lot of time building up their baby or child's sense of being valued, helping the child feel "good." Then the child breaks a glass, you spank, and he feels, "I must be bad."
Even a guilt-relieving hug from a parent after a spank doesn't remove the sting. The child is likely to feel the hit, inside and out, long after the hug. Most children put in this situation will hug to ask for mercy. "If I hug him, daddy will stop hitting me." When spanking is repeated over and over, one message is driven home to the child, "You are weak and defenseless."
Joan, a loving mother, sincerely believed that spanking was a parental right and obligation needed to turn out an obedient child. She felt spanking was "for the child's own good." After several months of spank-controlled discipline, her toddler became withdrawn. She would notice him playing alone in the corner, not interested in playmates, and avoiding eye contact with her. He had lost his previous sparkle. Outwardly he was a "good boy." Inwardly, Spencer thought he was a bad boy. He didn't feel right and he didn't act right. Spanking made him feel smaller and weaker, overpowered by people bigger than him.
SLAPPING HANDS
How tempting it is to slap those daring little hands! Many parents do it without thinking, but consider the consequences. Maria Montessori, one of the earliest opponents of slapping children's hands, believed that children's hands are tools for exploring, an extension of the child's natural curiosity. Slapping them sends a powerful negative message. Sensitive parents we have interviewed all agree that the hands should be off-limits for physical punishment. Research supports this idea. Psychologists studied a group of sixteen fourteen-month-olds playing with their mothers. When one group of toddlers tried to grab a forbidden object, they received a slap on the hand; the other group of toddlers did not receive physical punishment. In follow-up studies of these children seven months later, the punished babies were found to be less skilled at exploring their environment. Better to separate the child from the object or supervise his exploration and leave little hands unhurt.

Answer 5

i think of that's going to; yet not for the justifications you may think of, like that's 'inhumane' or motives like that. i think of that's going to likely be repealed because of the fact it does not paintings. Criminals spend years on dying Row at an excellent rate to the Taxpayer. if certainty be told, i'm fairly beneficial that's extra costly to execute than to incarcerate for existence. additionally, there are too many holes in our justice equipment to ensure that we've the responsible occasion. i think of that the assorted situations of flawed identity and corrupt justice are info sufficient of that's ineffectualness.

Answer 6

SPANKING DOESN'T WORK
Many studies show the futility of spanking as a disciplinary technique, but none show its usefulness. In the past thirty years in pediatric practice, we have observed thousands of families who have tried spanking and found it doesn't work. Our general impression is that parents spank less as their experience increases. Spanking doesn't work for the child, for the parents, or for society. Spanking does not promote good behavior, it creates a distance between parent and child, and it contributes to a violent society. Parents who rely on punishment as their primary mode of discipline don't grow in their knowledge of their child. It keeps them from creating better alternatives, which would help them to know their child and build a better relationship. In the process of raising our own eight children, we have also concluded that spanking doesn't work. We found ourselves spanking less and less as our experience and the number of children increased. In our home, we have programmed ourselves against spanking and are committed to creating an attitude within our children, and an atmosphere within our home, that renders spanking unnecessary. Since spanking is not an option, we have been forced to come up with better alternatives. This has not only made us better parents, but in the long run we believe it has created more sensitive and well-behaved children.

Answer 7

Of course spanking has to be forbiden!!!Spanking easily may lead to abuse.Punishment escalates. Once you begin punishing a child "a little bit," where do you stop? A toddler reaches for a forbidden glass. You tap the hand as a reminder not to touch. He reaches again, you swat the hand. After withdrawing his hand briefly, he once again grabs grandmother's valuable vase. You hit the hand harder. You've begun a game no one can win. The issue then becomes who's stronger—your child's will or your hand—not the problem of touching the vase. What do you do now? Hit harder and harder until the child's hand is so sore he can't possibly continue to "disobey?" The danger of beginning corporal punishment in the first place is that you may feel you have to bring out bigger guns: your hand becomes a fist, the switch becomes a belt, the folded newspaper becomes a wooden spoon, and now what began as seemingly innocent escalates into child abuse. Punishment sets the stage for child abuse. Parents who are programmed to punish set themselves up for punishing harder, mainly because they have not learned alternatives and click immediately into the punishment mode when their child misbehaves

Answer 8

I dont live in california,BUT i had plans to do in the future. I COMPLEATLY support your believe in spanking as a corrective "tool"(my mother's favorite), I dont know who came up with such idea but it is compleatly dumb, I'm 25 and the sores in my rear are still fresh,I have a 2year old and an other on the way. At age 16 my mother's earthly wisdom told me "You will never become a son/daughter,until the day you become a parent" those words are of great value for me and maybe that tree-hugger that came up with such bill reads this soon...PARENTS KEEP SPANKING.

Answer 9

You are right here someone made 14-15 accounts or so...he/she seems to be affected by the question:)Anyway Heaven is right,no matter if this is one person or they are really 15,some of the answers - hailie, bethany, kateline, michael, joanna, abelina and isabel are sensible and rational.I read them and I suggest you read them too.And YES,no state will tell me how to raise my children but I'm not affected by that new law anyway because I never spank.I have really good working discipline methods and I never had to resort to for strike at any person,especially a child.

Answer 10

I hope it doesn't pass as well. I think the government has no right to tell me how to parent. If I choose to pop my kid on the butt, its my choice. If it passed and I lived there, I'd move. I see way too many parents that don't discipline and have wild children. I use alot of different methods to parent, but that doesn't mean I want my options taken away from me.