Virgin Birth. I submit that it never happened; and/or if it's true that Jesus ever lived ......?

Question

on this earth and given that the bible portrays him as provocative and controversial, he would have confirmed the virgin birth during one or some of his sermons at the synagues!

Answer 1

That's where all this stuff gets mixed up. When the bible speaks of Mary and immaculate conception it does NOT necessarily mean she was a virgin. It means she was pure of heart or without sin which over the years has been twisted to mean she was a virgin. Was she not the wife of Joseph and inso would she not carry out her wifely "duties"?

I think that it's highly possible that Jesus was a real man with a good philosophy for life and that he may have even been condemned and punished for going against the beliefs of that time but I don't believe in the biblical version of those events.

Answer 2

The first Christians claimed Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary for a very good reason: They were absolutely convinced that it actually happened.

Remember, Mary expressed disbelief when the angel first told her what was about to happen. And yet the Bible's witness is clear: "The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you. ... So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God'" (Luke 1:35). Jesus' first followers knew His mother and His immediate family well, because they often followed Him from place to place. If the virgin birth was only a myth, those disciples would have known it, and neither they nor Mary would have allowed it to be proclaimed.

It's significant that the most thorough Gospel account of the virgin birth was written by Luke, who was a medical doctor. If anyone knew the impossibility of a virgin birth it was Luke—and yet, after careful research, he knew it was a fact. The God who was powerful enough to create the whole universe also was powerful enough to bring Jesus into the world without a human father.

You will only understand the virgin birth of Jesus when you understand who He was: the divine Son of God, sent from heaven to save us from our sins. His miraculous birth was a sign, pointing the way to our salvation. Why not put your life into His hands?

Answer 3

John points out in his gospel that if all the sayings of Jesus and all the things He had done were written down then it would fill more books then the whole world could hold, now even if this is metaphor he is saying that there is a lot to story not written down, so therefore Jesus could have defend the birth but we do not know it.

As to weather Jesus ever lived well there is proof outside of the gospels, Josephus the Roman Historian mentions and if he never lived then why would people follow him?

Answer 4

Really? - why? How does it logically follow that Jesus would have felt obligated to confirm the virgin birth? After all, it's not like he was short for material to talk about.
And "...if it's true that Jesus ever lived..."? There is more documentary evidence of Jesus' existence than of virtually any other person in ancient history. So, unless you also walk round saying things like, "If Julius Caesar ever actually lived on earth", I suggest you discard that particular bit of unwarranted skepticism.

Answer 5

If its in the Holy Bible, inspired by God, then you can bet that's the way it happened. The bible doesn't give every single word and miracle that Jesus did. God covered the virgin birth in detail, and just because He didn't include it in any of Jesus' sermons doesn't mean that he never mentioned it.

Answer 6

Two HUGE problems with the virgin birth claim: 1) after the birth of the child, how does anyone prove it. 2) if Jesus was the product of a virgin birth based on the alleged prophesy of Isaiah 7:14 (it doesn't really say anything of the sort, but let's just play along for fun) then what of the child that was born to that young woman (alleged to be a virgin by christian) in Isaiah's time. Why wasn't that child, who was named Immanuel, not the messiah? And if this is another case of virgin birth, then virgin birth might be rare but not unique and certainly not something one can hang his hat on when trying to identify the messiah.

Answer 7

21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

I am not going to post Matthew 1 because it is too long. It talks about the conception. Joseph was going to quietly divorce Mary, until the angel of the Lord came to him and told him the baby was from the Holy Spirit and that He would be the Savior of the world. If Joseph hadn't beleived the angel, he could have either divorced her or had her stoned.

The other part that is very important is that Joseph took Mary as his wife but did not unite with her sexually until after the birth of Jesus. This is important to go back to the scripture I first listed.

It is through Adam that we have the sin nature, because Adam was told by God yet disobeyed. It was important that Joseph not even after she had conceived take Mary in that way until she had given birth so that Jesus would have no part of the sin nature.

This is where you go back to Gensis 3:15 " And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and between hers"

Notice it doesn't mention the mans offspring. Man's seed brought death because of disobedience. It's also a prophecy of the virgin birth, fulfilled in Jesus.

Not to mention that the argument that Mary said it was immaculate conception to protect herself from death is nonsense. Because she would have been stoned anyway. God watched over the situation and protected them, because it was divine like the Bible says it is.

Answer 8

I believe Christ lived...that much, anyway.

I've heard the stories that Mary was raped by a Roman guard and used the Virgin story as her excuse for becoming pregnant...as they say, the wilder the story the more likely some will believe.

The belief in such a story gave Jesus something of a legendary status already which gave him an automatic audience when he spoke. This, plus the fact that he was controversial in how he went against the standing system...and we all know how rebellion creates heroes (think Robin Hood).

Answer 9

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Answer 10

Wether or not it was a virgin birth doesn't really matter. Th idea is that a guy was born in the same world we live in, in a time even more messed up then it is now. That guy didn't do anything bad once in his whole life. A bunch of great people have lived on the earth, Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Etc. But even they thought that Jesus was incredible. He just walked around helping people his whole life. Never once thinking of himself. That's big time, daddy or no daddy.