Are Catholics into Necromancy ?

Question

Necromancy :Divination by alleged communication with the dead.

King Saul done this when he called on the prophet Samuel and was cursed for such an act.Calling upon the dead was strickly forbidden and carried the sentence of death at that time. 1 Samuel 28:6-25
I learned today that the Catholic's call not just on the Saints but also on Mary.These be all dead people that they call upon now.Jesus died but ressurected and is the only mediator between God and man.
"For there is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus 1 Tim.2:5.I might ask my minister or even the church to pray for me,but to ask a dead person to pray for me seems a awful lot like black magic doesn't it ?

Come on people try and use some scripture here.Lets work according to the word of God.I want to learn about God and not mans doctrines.And believe me sister these people don't turn the other cheek,you should see the emails I get.It's the price for speaking the true word of God.They hated Him and they will also hate those who serve Him.

You don't want dead saints that you pray to,I recommend living ones,Peter came down to the saints which dwelt at Lydda,Acts 9:32.

Lives 7 , I appreciate your scripture but nothing their suggest that dead people are to pray for you.

I hope I don't have to have good grammar to get into heaven.Cuase I aint got vary good grammer

Mary w, I appreciate what you say here you are right.Please forgive me I was wrong.However speaking to the dead is a spirit of divination and is wrong according to the word of God.

Mary w , everydaycatholic answered my previous question and said that Mary and the saints are called upon to join them in the eucarist. Probably spelled wrong but that isn't what your saying.Why the difference?

Answer 1

Well... Jesus DID raise Lazarus from the dead... And on to the business of praying to saints... Isn't it Blasphemy to pray to anyone except God? Including Mary? I mean... Doesn't that fall under the whole worshiping false Gods category? Or can i pray to anyone i think might be in heaven to hook a brother up with a lil Yo yo yo what up to God?

Answer 2

IN 1 Samuel 28: 6-25, King Saul is cursed not for calling upon dead Samuel but because Saul disobeyed God and not punished Amalek as God had ordered. (of course, this story was not written as it happened and we do not know how much of it is true.)
Catholic believe in the Communion of Saints. Those saints in heaven are called the Church Triumphant. They are very much alive with God. The Church Triumphant intercedes for those of us here on earth. We pray to them to help us like a friend helps a friend. They do not talk back to us but pray to God on our behalf.
Necromancy is when the spirits are contacted and a response is given or expected from them. Praying to the saints is not necromancy.
When Jesus was transfigured, two saints appeared with him: Moses and Elijah.
Catholics pray to Mary and to all of the saints in the same way we talk to good friends and relatives.

Answer 3

Romans 15:30 join me by your prayers to God on my behalf
Eph 6:18-19 making supplications for all the saints and for me
Rev 5:8 angel offers prayers of the holy ones to God.

Rev 6:9-11 martyrs under altar want earthly vindication
Lk 16:19-30 departed rich man intercedes for brothers
Rev 20:4 saw the soul of those who had been beheaded

Mk 9:4 Jesus seen conversing with Elijah and Moses!

If it is good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me!
Jesus conquered death, all are members of the Christian community, the living and the deceased Christians.

Answer 4

the straightforward shown reality that we are both spirit and flesh seems to confuse human beings anytime it incorporates lack of life and praying for the ineffective, it is going to be remembered that even regardless of the straightforward shown reality that the flesh dies and withers away the spirit lives on and is going lower back to God. that is in our spirit style that we maximum have a resemblance to the Angels who can't be reported to be ineffective because of the particular reality they do no longer have a flesh nature! Jesus is Lord of the living and promised us existence to the excellent so it follows that we enter right right into a clean existence jointly as we glance ahead to the resurrection of the body. to wish to Mary and the Saints in heaven isn't speaking with the ineffective yet with the thoroughly alive, although the probability in diverse sorts of communique are very real which contain Necromancy and calling up unknown spirits and that is consistently incorrect and adverse to Gods regulation. God bless.

Answer 5

You refer to dead men at the same time you preach Eternal Life.

Do not Mary and the Saints live, in Heaven?

"Hail (Mary), full of grace, the Lord is with you (Luke 1: 28)" is not a Catholic prayer, it is scripture.

Look in the mirror, look inside your heart and know, as has been shown over and over again in the answers to your questions, that you bear false witness. These are good Christians offering you help and guidance, do not turn a blind eye to them.

Answer 6

Don you need a better hobbie than contributing to myth.

everyone see my previous discourse with don when he could not prove Catholics worship Mary.

Problems with Don's theory

1. no dead are found in heaven, those in the beatic vision are alive. To dwell with the Lord God in heaven means you are saved and hence a saint. The scriptures say God is a God of the living, a God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. All these patriarches came from a different time and yet are still proclaimed as being.......... alive not dead. don you claim to be saved are you dead in heaven than?

2. Necromancy is the dark art of attempting to draw spirits from outside the physical realm into this one. It is an attempt of control and channeling of the spirit, does a necromancer operating as a master in a master/servant relationship ask the servant for something? of course not a master demands action hence asking a saint to pray for you cannot be necromancy by any stretch since praying to saints is ultimately a request not a demand. In praying to saints there is no crossing of the phyical divide.

3. If St. John writes "for there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" why are we to assume prayer for one another is not good? Did not Jesus himself explain that we ARE to pray for one another? Aren't we being disobedient to Jesus if we accept don's interpretation?

4. If we accept don's interpretation of how to apply "one mediator" it would logically led us to understand we should not ask ANY other person whether they be physically alive or physically dead to pray for us simply because as he points out that would place TammySue down at the bible chapel in the position of mediatorship between us and Jesus.

5. In not providing contextual background for quoted scripture don does not prove the point of necromancy. and of course if he had he would have disproved his own point.

Answer 7

No absolutely. THat is the worst kind of heresy and you can be excommunicated for it.

FYI even Paul prayed together with "all the saints" He did not say only the living saints. Why is it black magic to ask for prayers from someone? Do you pray for your friends? Then are you also a mediator-or perhaps an intercessor?

Answer 8

you are correct.

31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Matthew 22:31-32

I can't find anywhere in the Bible where we are instructed to pray to the dead or ask them to pray for us.

Answer 9

no, we are not into necromacy. Ratherf, when a person dies who has received God's grace, they go to be witht he Lord, (to be absent from the body is to be witht he Lord. THE bible teaches in hebrews that we come together, in unity, with the spirit of just men made perfect, along witht he angels, and Chrsit and God. the spirit of just men made perfect are those who have died and with God now. Revelation tells us that these same spirits receive OUR PRAYERS and offer them to God in the form of incense. It is called mediation. AS you pray for one today, being of the court of God, when you die, your intercessory prayers do not end for our sitting on thrones, which appear a allusionary today or a mystery in the body is realized when we die. WE do not cease to sit in heavenly places , it's full realization comes about. Unfortunately the protestant reformation chose to remove books from the bible even tho many writings prior to this exclaimed more books, they deny the early church where even in the catecombs are epitats of asking for prayer, by the early church..... The evidence is overwhelmingly against the protestant interpretation or lying tongue....

To say it is the ame as raising the dead for magical purposes as we read in the old testament story is not the same thing as asking for intercessory prayer.... it is amazing how suppossed bible christians fail terribly when it comes to heumetics and break every rule when it comes to things they do't understand... At least, be consistent....

The assyrian church of the east, the syrian church, the orthodox church and every single chrch that had roots in the early church all have saints, the spirits of just men made perfect to which they ask to interceed for them to God.... Only protestants don't. They, on the other had were founded by a man who basically discredited much of the new testament, had he had his way, this shows the spirit Luther had, it was NOT of God , he was not spirit directed for he denied the spirit's role in many NT books. He who is not for us is against us so Luther was against God by his denial of many of the books, REvelation , JAmes and others were second rate non inspired books cuz they didn't fulfill his need to project lies, Today, passages are written off or just not recognized by protestants. REad REvelatioin... the prayers of the saints on earth are received by the heavenly saints who offer them up to God with incense... Sounds like there is an intercessory role which they partake in, so does the witenss of the early church which was mainstream... protestants do a disservice by cutting themselves off from the roots and then pretending to know how to inteerprete taht which cme from within the church itself, while denying that same church...

Answer 10

they are not. i suggest you read their doctrine before you allow yourself to sound ignorant. i am not a Catholic, but one of the things that draws me to Catholicism is their way of turning the other cheek whenever people like you bash them.


bible verses:

"the bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us" (Ps 103:20-21; 148:1-2)


edit: why people like you are so self-righteous anyway?


God hears "dead" people's prayer because FOR GOD DEAD PEOPLE ARE NOT DEAD. do you understand that?


don't you even realize that so many people have always known that people like you actually lied about Catholicism just to prove yourself correct and "convert" so many people to your own beliefs? don't you realize how noticeable your motives, why you lie, your choice of words, and your actions are? well, it's very noticeable that even if i close my eyes i would still notice it.