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Maybe Dan Brown's ideas are quite true about Christianity

2007-01-18 11:02:22 · 16 answers · asked by death-eaters 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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The poop did not want people to know what THE GOD said or thinks!

The poop wanted, and wants, to be the Top Guy!

2007-01-18 11:05:28 · answer #1 · answered by whynotaskdon 7 · 2 5

There actually is a 'first Bible' and it is nothing but 'scraps of writing' from all the earliest Christian sources, and they are all held in the 'secret' section of the Vatican Library for the simple fact that they are FAR TOO VALUABLE as 'artifacts' and are LESS THAN VALUABLE as 'words on a page.' The Bible we read now is only a translation of the original written document 'The Bible' (and there are MANY translations), and that was 'decided upon' during an early 'convocation of bishops' who 'passed judgement' on the 'validity' of the theological statements from those widely varied pieces of paper. When the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' were found, some people felt that the Bible should be 're-written' and others felt it is 'just fine as it is' ... but the Holy Roman Catholic Church's decision was to leave it 'as it is' for both theological and historical reasons.

There is an 'Old Testament' that tells us 'what happened' before Christ's birth ... and the 'New Testament' tells us what happened during Christ's life and 'immediately after' ... but NONE of the Bible we know was written as we know it until 70 years after Christ's death. We may 'never know' what ACTUALLY HAPPENED, but that doesn't make the Bible any less valid as a 'source' of 'religious thought' ... and neither does it make any more or less of any other similar 'religious documents.'

Dan Brown is an EXCELLENT writer ... of FICTION. That is all ANY of his books are, and if you have actually read anything other than 'DaVinci Code' you would realize that.

If you are SERIOUSLY INTERESTED, then you need to do YEARS OF STUDY on 'religion' in general, and also learn a lot more than you obviously 'think' you know about Catholicism. The Pope is the titular 'HEAD of the CHURCH' and he does NOT decide what is 'given out' or is 'not given out' on his own. He has a small army of people, mostly priests and nuns, who do the research, and all he ever really 'sees' is the RESULTS of that. He is only 'a man' who is, by ELECTION, promoted to being the HIGHEST in the Roman Catholic Church ... so if you are NOT a Catholic, then you have no 'right' to ask questions about him and what he does or doesn't do, beyond his 'ecumenical' moves ... like going into a synagogue or Muslim place of worship ... and even then you should 'give him praise' for what he's trying to do, which is BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER PEACEFULLY so that we can 'talk about our (religious) differences' without war, acrimony, or violence.

2007-01-18 19:51:03 · answer #2 · answered by Kris L 7 · 0 0

Do you mean the new testament?
Well the new testament was written in Greek long before the popes appear. A lot of copies do exist and a lot in the Greek Orthodox churches. There was never a strange first gospel an it was never hidden.
Dan Brown presented pure fiction as reality.
By th way the oldest Bible is the codex sinaiticus.
Codex Sinaiticus is a 4th century uncial manuscript of the Greek Bible, written between 330–350. While it originally contained the whole of both Testaments, only portions of the Greek Old Testament or Septuagint survive, along with a complete New Testament, the Epistle of Barnabas, and portions of The Shepherd of Hermas (suggesting that the latter two may have been considered part of Biblical canon by the editors of the codex). Written in Greek and was found in a Greek Orthodox monastery (Monastery of Saint Catherine).

2007-01-18 19:14:32 · answer #3 · answered by ragzeus 6 · 1 2

I am not sure what your question means, but to answer Dan Brown's accusations in the DaVinci Code...

He claims that the New Testament was written - or at least altered by the Council of Nicene, which meet around 325AD. The problem with that theory is that there still exist today over 2,300 manuscripts of the New Testament writings which PREDATE the Council by as much as 250 years. They have been found across Europe, Asia, and Africa. Many have only been found in the last 100-150 years when archeology became serious about finding and preserving such manuscripts.

They have been found in such places as Egypt, where they were buried by Coptic Christians, who were not part of the Catholic church at any time in their history. Also preserved by the Easter Orthodox church, which were rivals to the Catholics and would certain NOT have altered manuscripts to match anything the Catholics wanted.

Many were found buried, having worn out and been discarded by their owners hundreds of years before the council. They would have been in fragments long before the Council altered anything. Some are from as far away as Armenia, India, and eastern central Africa. Far beyond the ability of the Catholics to have found or altered them.

As these manuscripts are word for word the same as the text that was approved by the Council of Nicene, it becomes difficult to prove that they altered the text of the New Testament.

Due to the perishable nature of the material (papyrus) on which the originals were written, it is unlikely that any could have survived. Papyrus dries and breaks into fragments usually with 30-50 years of being used. What papyrus manuscripts remain are in tiny fragments that have to be carefully reconstructed. So it would not be possible to produce the originals of the New Testament. They no longer exist.

With the papyrus manuscripts, we have things like fragments from which we can recreate 809 of almost 900 words of the Gospel of John. (This manuscript has been dated to within 17 years of the time the original was written). Or a manuscript from which over 70% of the writings of Paul, parts of all 13 of his letters, have so far been reconstructed. There are still more fragments being worked on. The manuscript appears to come from the late 80s, with Paul's last letter having been completed in 67AD - so about 20 years after the originals.

The earliest "intact" manuscripts come from about 100-125 years after the time of Christ, when vellum first appears. Stronger then papyrus, several vellum manuscripts have survived intact and readable today. (Again, 150 years before the time of the Council mentioned by Dan Brown). With the creation of the "codex", an early form of the book, replacing scrolls between 250-300 AD, the number of manuscripts multiples. Including complete copies of the entire New Testament with the same 27 books used today. Yet copied nearly a century before the Nicean Council, which released its first Bible in 350AD.

Hope that answers the question about why no one , Pope or otherwise, has revealed the "first bible", by which I assume you mean the original manuscripts written by Paul, John, and the others.

2007-01-18 19:34:00 · answer #4 · answered by dewcoons 7 · 0 0

LOL....

The "First Bible" doesn't even truly exist as you think it does...

It was a massive collection of Various gospels and texts.

It wasn't called "the Bible" by any means..

That title came out of the council of Alexandria, where the best minds of the Catholic Church met, to discuss what should be included in a standardized collection of Christian Texts, which henceforth came to be known as "the Bible"....

Those texts that didn't make the cut got put into 2 categories.....one was the Apocrypha.....which was sanctioned as a supplementary text for clergy only. The other pile was to be burned as heresy. Among the "to be burned" pile were the Gnostic gospels, and a rich host of other texts, all of which should be closely examined by any true Christian scholar.

One must realize that originally, there were 2 Christian churches:

The Church of Jerusalem, headed by James, Brother of Christ...based upon Kabbalistic Judaism, accepting Christ as the Messiah. It also seemed to include some of the Tenets of Buddhism, as James spent some time in the East...possibly modern Pakistan or India. James was murdered, and his teachings destroyed by the Second Church, The Church of Rome, headed by Peter (The Rock), shortly after Peter had died.

Peter saw no competition from the church of Jerusalem...his successors did, however, and simply had it erased.

Namaste,

--Tom

2007-01-18 19:15:06 · answer #5 · answered by glassnegman 5 · 0 0

I don't know of what first bible you are talking about, the Old Testament taken from the Jews by the Jews that accepted Jesus as the Messiah, is the first bible to which modifications and deletions were done to accommodate the coming of the Messiah, his life, his death, and his resurrection. Later on, based on the Old Testament, followed the New Testament.

2007-01-18 19:12:14 · answer #6 · answered by markos m 6 · 0 0

the "first bible" (whatever that is) vanished 2500 years ago when King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia destroyed Solomon's temple, along with the other contents of the Ark of the Covenant.

The Pope does not have it. Nobody knows where it is.

The oldest complete complete copy of the bible, the Textus Sinaiticus is revealed. Anyone can go to look at it; it is in four different museums located around the world. One is in London, at the British Library. There's nothing "unrevealed" about any of it.

2007-01-18 19:13:52 · answer #7 · answered by evolver 6 · 2 1

You are really confused. The pope has nothing to do with the Bible. What do you mean "first Bible"? Dan Brown writes fiction only.

2007-01-18 19:05:42 · answer #8 · answered by Desperado 5 · 0 1

Dan Brown's book is a fiction book and even he says so. There are so many copies from the original Bible that it makes the Bible very reliable.

2007-01-18 19:05:57 · answer #9 · answered by SeeTheLight 7 · 0 1

Christians.

2007-01-18 19:06:21 · answer #10 · answered by ? 3 · 0 1

You wouldn't be able to read it or understand in it's original form anyway.

Get a life!

2007-01-18 21:22:53 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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